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Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 29th 2024 at 10:55:20 AM
Lost in Space
Violating the rules of this thread is completely unrelated to violating the rules of some other thread. There is no recusal issue.
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A Self-inflicted Disaster
1. The moderator code of conduct clearly says it is site-wide
2. "Moderators will recuse themselves from mod action in any situation they are personally involved in" (emphasis mine)
Edited by minseok42 on Mar 11th 2024 at 9:39:22 AM
"Enshittification truly is how platforms die"-Cory Doctorow
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![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Why are you repeating this? This was already made clear. And Mrph1’s comment clearly explains why fighteer thumped some comments, he was the only mod around at the time. Further discussion about this isn’t productive.
Edited by kory on Mar 11th 2024 at 9:42:38 AM
Now monitoring Wishlist and Bugs
The administration is also the ones who place the moderators in power, not the users. WE trust them and that’s what matters. Just because they make a mistake or some users don’t like them doesn’t mean you’re allowed to break the rules or demand anything be done.
This is an absolutely abysmal policy to have if you wish the community to have any faith and trust in you.
Likewise 'if you have problems email us but we don't promise to address your concerns or even email back'.
What was allowed in this thread was changed because the admin promised to police moderators, this statement apparently rolls in back to "like it or lump it because we don't give a fuck".
Edited by dcutter2 on Mar 11th 2024 at 4:45:51 PM
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You don’t have to like it. But you do have to follow the rules.
We also didn’t change what was allowed to please the users. The users obviously didn’t like the change but it’s what the administration wanted. I’m the lowest tier employee here and I don’t have a say in what gets changed either.
If you want to make sure someone responds in a meaningful way to every single email then thats taking away hours needed to be coding and doing actual projects for the site. But if you just want a “we’ve received your report” type of response that I can make sure that at least happens.
Edited by kory on Mar 11th 2024 at 9:53:16 AM
Now monitoring Wishlist and Bugs
drunk bunny
so to clarify those wiki and forum rules, saying that people should kill themselves is not an instantly bannable offense, correct?
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Admin
Mrph1’s comment already clarified this on the previous page. Please read all mod comments before posting.
Showtime!
I don't want to seem accusatory or anything, so I apologize if I do, but tvtropes is both a wiki maintained almost entirely by user work and pulls volunteer mods from said userbase. It seems to me that that's a situation in which it does matter that the users trust the people in charge
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
It also seems necessary to note that people aren't inclined to trust the admins themselves. If people aren't getting helpful responses when issues are taken to the proper channels, well... naturally they're going to try again elsewhere. It's human nature. The rules are being followed to the best of everyone's abilities, but I think people have the right to ask what happens if the admins don't take action in a scenario that requires them.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
~kory
I question that, given nearly every headache you guys have had to endure from this thread stems directly from some action of Fighteer's.
I've said it with every Fighteer fiasco, people who misbehave without consequence have no reason to stop misbehaving.
I genuinely have to ask: Is Fighteer worth it?
The Unknown
You have to accept the admins know the optics of this and don’t care. We’ve been here 12 months ago, and the only things that changed were the rules of this thread. You’re just risking thumps at this point.
Showtime!
Admin
It’s been made clear more than once. This thread is for asking for clarification on policy, not debates, pot stiring, complaining or anything related to the mods beyond what’s already been asked about the mod code of conduct. If you don’t have questions about policy unrelated to the fighteer situation then you’re off topic for this thread. That situation has already been dealt with and policies related clarified. Nothing productive will come from continuing it.
Edited by kory on Mar 11th 2024 at 12:56:38 PM
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Maverick Hunter.
Uh, guys, I recommend you all to stop. It is obvious by now that this is a losing-fight you are all engaging upon. You should all just ask yourselves: Is your position and argument really that strong that you are ready to risk a ban over it?.
A site policy question. We have a "no importing drama" policy which is self explanatory, is there and equivalent "no exporting drama" policy? Like, let's say megagutsmanand I go into it over Mega Man X, we get told to stop by the mods here, and one or both of us go offside to continue the behaviour is that something the mods would take action over? Or does it have to spill back over to this site to count?
he/him
Drama import and drama export are both covered by the forum rules. Both are prohibited, as you might expect.
That's from the summary in the pinned post on the rules thread, but a longer explanation is here, later in the thread.
(Edited to add quote)
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 11th 2024 at 10:41:42 AM
I'm helping!
Exporting drama is indeed forbidden. ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Mar 11th 2024 at 6:40:17 AM
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Lost in Space
We reserve the right to take action based on drama exportation, but are not obligated to do so, and would only do it if there is clear and unambiguous evidence of the link between a TV Tropes account and an account on another site.
For example, we have in the past banned people over Discord behavior when provided with sufficient evidence. It has to be something worse than arguments over site policy, though... like exploitation of minors. Or, as noted in that rules post, inciting/provoking raids or vandalism on TV Tropes. That includes encouraging harassment or stalking of specific users or groups of users.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 11th 2024 at 6:44:17 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Oh, bother.
I suppose the bottom line is that if any user, mod or not, makes a comment of that nature, we should just holler them. This thread isn't about reporting individual mods or users.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Problem is, replying to an offtopic post is usually offtopic too.
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