Redirect discussion thread

Just stumbled upon RTFM, which redirects to Read the Freaking Manual.

I was under the impression that acronym redirects were not allowed. This one seems to be really old, as it doesn't have a page history, but it only has 7 wicks and 77 inbounds. It could be cut quite easily.

Is Power Trio our main index about trios? Or is there more?

Trio as a redirect was just rejected, so now I'm rethinking my assumptions...

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I agree.

I don't think Power Trio could be confused with anything.

- Redirect, not a disambig? They serve different purposes, and disambigs are for confusion, while redirects are good alternate names?

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Whoops. Trio redirecting to Power Trio probably waters down the meaningfulness of the items in the trio? It doesn't feel necessary.

Following up from this ATT thread:

Would it be appropriate/worthwhile to add Artistic License - Firearms as a redirect to Guns Do Not Work That Way?

There's been some support in the form of upvotes, but just checking for concerns, in case this used to exist but was removed for any reason, etc.

Edited by Unsung on Jul 2nd 2021 at 4:08:31 AM

I wouldn't be too opposed to it. Oddly, it's not even indexed on Artistic License (though maybe it should be).

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

I expect because it doesn't increase searchability. Most redirects are to increase that, or to provide another valid way to link to the page. Something appears as a trio by itself isn't a trope, so that wouldn't be a valid way to link to the page.

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I don't know offhand the difference between AL- Gun Safety and GDNWTW, but that would be the first thing that I would check, much like we had a TRS thread started not long ago for Space Does Not Work That Way to combine it with another AL page.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Artistic License – Gun Safety seems like it's more about the user than the gun itself, where GDNWTW is about guns working differently or looking odd compared to real guns, being constructed in ways real guns aren't, etc. Maybe Sister Tropes? With ALGS, the gun itself might be entirely accurate (in its portrayal), might even be an actual gun on film in some cases, just used improperly.

I'm not suggesting merging the two, just to be clear. But maybe Artistic License - Firearms is too close as the name of the redirect?

Edited by Unsung on Jul 2nd 2021 at 12:49:50 PM

Yeah, Artistic License – Gun Safety seems specifically geared towards people not handling guns the way they actually are or should be. The accuracy with which the weapon is depicted isn't especially relevant for the trope; a perfectly realistic gun handled foolishly or carelessly would count, while a bizarre and unrealistic one handled according to strict gun safety regulations would not.

Consequently, since the two tropes are fairly distinct, I wouldn't be opposed to designating Artistic License - Firearms as a redirect to Guns Do Not Work That Way. We can probably call them sister tropes, too, I'd say.

On an entirely unrelated note, I was reminded of the Zelda redirect situation a while ago and I've been wondering; while a number of redirects there are appropriate and useful, there are admittedly some redirects for those games that are genuinely pretty bad — they mostly omit the "The Legend of Zelda" portion of the titles, which no official release does, and some add extraneous words as well. They mostly just seem to excuse and/or encourage lazy formatting and linking and have extremely few wicks or inbound links, so I wouldn't be against just clearing the wicks and sending them to the cut list. Does anybody object?

Edited by Theriocephalus on Jul 4th 2021 at 5:18:25 AM

It seems maybe more like a matter of convenience/economy when crosslinking between the individual pages of the franchise rather than something that would need much use outside of that. I'm not sure if there's a policy/tolerance for that, or if redirects take up more 'space' on the domain than the links do on any given page. I don't object, though, just curious if that might've been the intent. But I'm also quite new to this whole discussion.

Does that address what you were asking, crazysamaritan? mightymewtron, do you think we would want to add it under the tropes list, or under the Subcategories header, if Space Does Not Work That Way and Artistic License - Astronomy were to be merged?

Edited by Unsung on Jul 4th 2021 at 8:45:12 AM

I'm not sure that I know which question you're referring to.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

The part about the difference between ALGS and GDNWTW, I think?

Okay, well, since it looks like Theriocephalus addressed it, should we just add the redirect for now? Based on the posts in favour and earlier upvotes? If it's an issue, it can always be cutlisted/replaced. Where do we ask again? Thanks, everyone.

Edit: Requested here.

Edited by Unsung on Jul 6th 2021 at 10:30:58 AM

So I noticed the various pages for The War of the Worlds have a lot of redirects that are just "War of the Worlds" (no "The"). Are these necessary?

Some of the adaptations are titled just "War of the Worlds", but I doubt most of these redirects were made with those in mind.

It's probably for searchability. Most people probably just chop off the "The" when googling it.

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Should Selfcest (which is currently a redirect to Screw Yourself) be changed to a redirect to Alternate Self Shipping? The term is used mainly in the context of fan works and shipping, not official instances of such. It currently has 63 wicks, but those could be changed to direct wicks to either Screw Yourself or Alternate Self Shipping.

Edited by jandn2014 on Jul 25th 2021 at 11:16:35 AM

back lol

That makes sense, but it might also work as a disambiguation.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

two suggestions:

• And Thats Bad for And That's Terrible
• Twindex for Twin Tropes

First one's fine with me.

Second is punny for the sake of it. No, because that's not search helpful.

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I just saw that Accuse the Witness has 3 redirects. There's Accusing The Witness, which is fine, though probably wouldn't get made today, Or Maybe You Did It, which has no links and is iffy, and Plan B From Outer Space, which is just nonsensical without knowing the work someone's trying to reference. Shall the latter 2 get cut?

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Put it on the cutlist as "Obscure reference redirect".

Then you can let the higher-ups decide.

I've done that before.

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This is something that's been irritating me for a while, so I thought we should do something about it. A lot of Administrivia/ pages have overly long and unmemorable names, such as:

• List of Shows That Need Summary
• Everything You Wanted To Know About Changing Titles
• The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours

I don't want to just change these page names, but I do think we should add redirects for the ease of linking people to these pages. There's precedent; for example, Wick Check redirects to How to Do a Wick Check. Some suggestions for each are:

• Administrivia.Works Needing Summary
• Administrivia.How To Change A Title
• ...And I don't have an idea for this one, but there's gotta be a less-wordy title out there.

This would mean that the official title could be used for actual wiki linking and the shorter redirects would be for us to actually link people to. I've lost count of how many times I've tried to plug a rule page only to realize I don't remember what the page's title is. It's counterintuitive. In this very post I miswrote one of the very titles I was complaining about!

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 16th 2021 at 9:24:39 AM

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I don’t think this is the right place to add but I don’t where to put this so.. for some reason, the page for The Simpsons seems to be hyper linking as “Were Still Relevant Dammit!/The Simpsons” instead so you might need to fix that

Edited by HoloMew151 on Aug 17th 2021 at 10:49:13 AM

I was thinking — some of the tropes under Our Monsters Are Different with names that diverge from the basic template have redirects that use the main naming pattern, and some don't (for example, All Trolls Are Different has Our Trolls Are Different, Our Dwarves Are All the Same has Our Dwarves Are Different and Our Giants Are Bigger has Our Giants Are Different, but Our Banshees Are Louder, Our Cryptids Are More Mysterious and Our Manticores Are Spinier have nothing of the sort). Would it be all right if I made redirects for the redirect-less tropes with names matching the basic pattern? A few or several of this tropes may end up needing to be renamed anyway, but that's a long-term project for another thread and if so it might still be useful to have some groundwork done.