The Loud House Cleanup

Yup, overly complainy, complete with List Of Infractions. Also it's more of a Periphery Hatedom thing, since, most people I know (myself included) seem to appreciate the live action productions.

I don't feel it properly explains why that's Fanon Discontinuity and I'm leaning on saying it's complaining.

Yes, it basically reads as "Live action adaptations of Nicktoons are always bad, here's a list of scenes taken out of context to make the main character look bad and misinterpreting the finale to make everything look bad. Bad bad bad"

Granted, I've definitely heard people complain about Lincoln's actions in that special but I think that's already troped under things like Unintentionally Unsympathetic. I also don't think the special is meant to be canon to the show anyway, but I could be wrong, I guess.

I'm going to bump this now because I noticed a lot of questionable trope usages on the character pages. I'll do some diving later, but I want this thread to be easier to find first.

Does this entry on Recap.The Loud House S 2 E 8 No Such Luck Frog Wild look a bit complainy to you? I get that the episodes could be seen as opposites, but to me, it just seems like saying that "Ties That Bind" was better-executed than "No Such Luck". (which is a valid opinion, but shouldn't be put on the list of objective tropes)

• Spiritual Antithesis: Many fans complain that this episode is the exact opposite of "Ties That Bind": in both, Lincoln is determined to get rid of the sisters somehow. But in the former, Lincoln hatches a cunning plan to kick his sisters out of the house, and just when he thinks he's the one getting kicked out by his parents, the sisters commit to preventing him from being expelled (even though they know that he tried to kick them out), and in the end, the parents clear up the misunderstanding by stating that they would never kick their child out of the house. In the latter, parents and sisters kick Lincoln out of the house.

The "many fans complain" part, at least, can go.

There's this on Unintentionally Unsympathetic:

• Lily is hit with this big time. We're supposed to feel bad for her, due to the reveal that she's been constipated the whole time, explaining why she was aggressive. However, given that Lily tried to bite her mom's finger, trashed her siblings' rooms, duct taped her teacher to the wall, beat up a kid, and threw a chair at her parents, she ends up coming off as a monstrous brat who gets away with her heinous behavior.

Uh, she's (as Lori would say) literally two years old.

...Man, people on this site really hate little kid characters.

I say cut, Lily is too young to understand not to be doing these things.

Lily's actually fairly intelligent for her age, but even then I still think that entry's overdoing it.

That's both on the Unintentionally Sympathetic page for the series and the YMMV page for the episode it came from ("Appetite for Destruction"), so it should be cut from both pages.

CommonKnowledge.Western Animation has these two paragraphs under TLH: "Many have the impression that the cartoon is about a pure boy who lives daily oppressed by 10 mean and selfish sisters (including baby Lily, who always understands everything that happens in the house). In fact, Lincoln is a rather selfish boy himself, and often uses noble causes to mask his real intentions, going so far as to unfairly harm his sisters more than once (for example, he pretends to be friends with the bully Chandler and is interested in his birthday party just so he can visit a sewage treatment plant, and almost makes Lori miss her costume ball). On the other hand, although the sisters often hurt Lincoln, they've done a lot of good things to make it up to him (like bringing the band SMOOCH to play for him)."

Literally nobody thinks that. It's just thinly-veiled complaining about the protagonist. Also:

""It's a Loud, Loud, Loud, Loud House" is maligned in the fandom for shows the sisters spanking Lincoln for money... except that all the siblings were spanking one another for the money; it wasn't ten against one, it was everyone against everyone. By the way, Lincoln also beats up his sisters in two scenes, since he was also disputing the money."

The original wording in the paragraph was 'fighting,' but someone changed it to 'spanking,' which makes no sense and makes me quite uncomfortable.

Yeah, I think the first should be cut and the second reverted, if not cut entirely for being a niche fandom issue.

These other entries on that page also seem more like complaining about fans giving the main character the Draco in Leather Pants treatment and applying Ron the Death Eater to other characters as opposed to misconceptions people unfamiliar coming to incorrect conclusions.

• Many claim that Lincoln is always the one who suffers when there is some confusion inside the house. In fact, on many bad occasions, all family members suffer. But since most of the episodes, especially early on, are told from Lincoln's perspective, the general tendency is to feel more sorry for him.
• The idea that Lincoln's sisters gang up on him for being the only boy. While they have ganged up on him several times, it was to do with generic Sibling Rivalry such as wanting the best seat in the car, not because he was a boy.

The second one seems like it can go; the first one is kinda odd though. I feel like there are several episodes that intentionally play up the idea of Lincoln suffering because of his sisters... Like, many episodes... and the movie does this as well. So it's not that inaccurate to say that the show focuses on Lincoln's suffering more than the suffering of his sisters, especially in the beginning.

But it's still wrong saying that he's the only one who suffers.

As for the second entry, I was the one who wrote it, and I didn't do it to complain; it was a sincere observation.

Edited by Unicorndance on Aug 17th 2023 at 9:55:59 PM

I don't get the first one. We can laugh at someone's misfortune and still understand they don't necessarily deserve it. Many protagonists get thrown around a lot, it's not unusual. The "common knowledge" and "actual claim" can coexist.

Personally, I'm not sure if that's a widespread misconception or if it's a vocal minority.

I mean, it can be rewritten; my point is that it's not inaccurate to say Lincoln suffers more. I don't think the issue is a misconception more than it is an exaggerated wording of the situation based on the infamy of the Lincoln suffering episodes.

Maybe "while Lincoln is shown suffering a little more often than the sisters, mostly due to being the protagonist, he's far from the only one who does".

I mean, again I'm disputing that it's even an actual misconception and more that it's just an exaggeration of reality. IDK if anyone really thinks that Lincoln is the only one who suffers, it's just an easy hyperbole.

I think most people are aware it's just a slapstick cartoon comedy in general, and the people who really take issue with Lincoln being a Butt-Monkey seem to be other dedicated fans.

Any other thoughts on the second bullet point?

I was the one who wrote the paragraph about Lincoln being considered pure in Western Animation. Yes, because the fanarts and fanfics about Loud House always emphasize the sins of the sisters, when they don't make it worse, placing Lincoln taking revenge on them. But you don't see anyone complaining about Lincoln's selfish actions, like stealing Lynn's bike to be popular or conspiring to kick the sisters out of the house in "Ties That Bind", even going so far as to imagine the parents throwing all the sisters' pictures in the can of trash!

In the fanfic Requiem For A Loud, for example, which shows Lincoln dying of a terminal illness, you get the impression that Lincoln is so kind that the author had a hard work finding anything wrong he had done, so much so that he only quotes something wrong he did in the cartoon after about 20 chapters. But when you decide to watch the cartoon on your own, you see a Lincoln very different from the hagiographic being we know in fandom.

And I was also the one who changed "fighting" to "spanking", since the episode "It's A Loud, Loud, Loud, Loud House" is really bad and suffers from excessive violence and vandalism.

But the "excessive violence" was just cartoon slapstick.

Also this doesn't quite sound like Common Knowledge if only the fans who care enough to write fanfiction are the ones complaining about it. And your explanation of the "spanking" thing doesn't actually... explain it.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 18th 2023 at 8:24:07 AM