Conspiracy Theories Useful Notes

As for the relevancy and usefulness of laconics as a whole, that probably deserves a whole different thread.

The COVID-19 Release Date Change and Troubled Production pages should be restored ASAP on the basis of invalid cut reason ALONE. Then it should have a proper discussion on how to handle it

Okay, now Laconics for Useful Notes are being deleted as seen on the Cut List, even though this was just one statement (even if it was a mod statement, this is still likely more than a hundred pages and as said by me before, the Laconic.John Tyler one and probably many others were useful). Screw it, if someone wants a thread on how to improve laconics or their usefulness, go ahead, or maybe I'll do it tomorrow if I'll be alive, but I feel like this is going too far. I'll give up on trying to resurrect Laconic.Coronavirus Disease 2019 Pandemic, though, at least depending on how the thread goes.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 14th 2020 at 1:10:23 PM

I realize I didn't take part in the original discussion, and I'm not sure if this is keeping in topic, but I'm not really comfortable in keeping the Conspiracy Theories page period.

I thought Fighteer (or maybe a different mod, I'm not sure) said once that the Useful Notes pages are only suppose to have examples that happen In-Universe. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

I'll give my two-cents on the COVID-19 subpages:

• The Conspiracy Theory subpage can stay cut.
• The No-Hoper Repeat subpage seems unnecessary, so I understand that getting cut.
• The Too Soon subpage, I don't have an opinion one way or the other.
• However, I think the Troubled Production and Release Date Change subpages are justified. As mentioned on Wikipedia, COVID-19 has had an unprecedented effect on the entertainment and sports industries, with countless shows, movies, sporting events, conventions, and concerts being delayed or even outright cancelled because of it.

Edited by toonyloon on Apr 14th 2020 at 4:07:35 AM

Since when do Useful Notes pages not get laconics? What point could there possibly be to not having a short summation of the article?

The "no laconics for useful notes" policy is brand new information to me.

As far as limiting what Laconics can be used for, I don't recall any statement restricting it from Useful Notes - except maybe under the general auspices of Useful Notes not getting subpages (which is usually referenced for things like Funny/, Awesome/, etc.).

Needs its own thread, though.

I didn't even know Useful notes had Laconics to be honest

The way I personally see it, Useful Notes pages are only useful when read in-full with all the information because of how complex the subjects they discuss are. Giving a basic snippet might tell people the subject of the page, but nothing else- nothing all that useful, or that can't be gleaned just by reading the first paragraph of the actual page.

That's not a reason to never have laconics for these pages, but it's a reason why laconics aren't all that helpful for them and aren't necessary to have.

That said, we really need to discuss Laconics elsewhere.

I will start a new thread, hopefully tomorrow. We'll discuss it there, including the subtitle solution I linked to previously and what to do for now. Just keep this thread to COVID-19 subpages for now.

Uncontested Sequel 517 put a commentary in the Crowner: "Every example on the Coronavirus subpages for Troubled Production and Release Date Change were all confirmed to be because of the Coronavirus causing major shuffles at studios and networks, but were baselessly called conspiracy theory. Why are we conflating conspiracy theory talk with those subpages?"

(Basically: what is that doing there?)

Edited by immichan on Apr 14th 2020 at 7:58:48 AM

I think removing the Too Soon and Release Date Change pages was unnecessary. They had nothing to do with the conspiracy theories.

Edited by DongwaChan on Apr 14th 2020 at 8:36:39 AM

Trivia subpages are for works, yes? Therefore, trivia about how covid-19 has impacted works can go on the trivia pages for those works. We don't need a bunch of covid-19 subpages since it's not... a work.

I thought it was more separating them from the existing Release Date Change page since it isn't often in history we have multiple disparate works sharing the same reason their release dates got changed. If we can't have a separate page, could we instead have a subarea of the main page dedicated to those with COVID-19 related delays, so at least they won't be mingling with works that have changed their release dates for non COVID-19 reasons?

Why, are we trying to quarantine the examples? Are they practicing self-isolation, and can only be with each other, six feet apart?

In other words, why separate them? If they're examples, they're examples, they shouldn't be given a unique status just for being COVID-19 related.

Exactly this. TV Tropes is not a current events blog.

So no COVID-19 examples at all then?

Erm, that's not what I said at all.

I asked why they need to be kept separate from other examples.

I don’t understand why the TP and RDC pages for COVID-19 haven’t been rescued yet and made accessible to all. It should’ve never been cut on such a baseless whim

I think the Covid-19 examples for No-Hoper Repeat should come back because this is a global pandemic that pretty fair enough for NHR to het hit with alot of examples regarding to them. It needs to come back bit just in folders. Both original examples and COVID-19 specific examples.

The point that's being made is that such examples would go to the work's subpage, not a subpage to a Useful Note.

I agree. Is this maybe the first time in recent history that a ton of productions globally have been affected by the same event? Probably. Should they be getting their own subpages just based on that? I'm not so sure.

The content should be in the main Troubled Production, etc. pages and the work pages; I don't see the point of making a separate page for COVID-19.

Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 15th 2020 at 1:23:59 PM

The updated release dates, I think, would be enough to ease the repetition of "because of COVID-19", if that's what you're worried about.

By the way, should we extend discussion to TooSoon.September Eleventh?

You know what, 9/11 used to have a Tear Jerker page but not anymore.