Outdated Administrivia Pages

Proposed wording based on the latest Unreleased Works crowner vote - this is for Creating A Work Page For An Unreleased Work.

• Early access to new instalments or related works via a paid subscription (e.g. webcomics or songs released early to Patreon supporters) doesn't count as a release. This differs from normal early access as you can't buy a specific work or instalment — and the payments are intended as an ongoing commitment.

Characters.Dragon Ball Frieza has been split into 2 sub-pages, so I was proposing to edit the Administrivia.Character Specific Pages to include Frieza's example in the Characters who have their own sub-pages.

Edited by kuchiki222 on Apr 5th 2024 at 3:55:25 AM

Considering Character-Specific Pages was always a project list, that got recently upgraded into a policy page and locked, I feel the examples should be subsplit into another page so the cleanup can edit.

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 5th 2024 at 1:56:25 PM

Administrivia.List Of Character Specific Pages ?

There's been some offsite mod conversation about doing this more widely, but that probably goes beyond the scope of this thread - we've got Summary (e.g. Musicians), Sandbox (e.g. Unreleased Works) and Administrivia pages all listing pages for similar purposes, and it may be worth handling them all in the same way, in the same namespace.

(With things like Locked Pages remaining locked as Administrivia pages, though)

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 5th 2024 at 12:50:17 PM

I overlooked the fact that Administrivia.Character Specific Pages doubles as a list of character-specific pages in addition to being a policy page, so no objections to spinning the list off into its own page. The previously mentioned title sounds fine.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 5th 2024 at 11:47:51 AM

Was there a talk about broadening American and Commonwealth Spellings to general "equally valid grammar types" or that suggestion didn't get past the idea phrase?

Renaming it to National Varieties Of English was also suggested, but since some of these differences can coexist within the same variety of English as each other (which is something that came up regarding "dialogue" vs. "dialog" in a TRS thread from a year or two ago), I wonder if English Spelling And Grammar Rules (or maybe just English Spelling And Grammar since the current name doesn't have the word "Rules" in it) would be a better name.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 8th 2024 at 5:49:35 AM

The suggestion was also to include not just types of English, but also punctuation rules that aren't universal like Oxford Comma and commas inside quotations, as well as some spellings that are regarded as equivalent, so people would be discouraged to "correct" them.

I'm wondering if Administrivia.First Come First Served would be a good idea, covering different versions of English, punctuation and some of the points raised in the translated works policy.

They all feed into the same approach, after all.

IIRC that was one of the names suggested for the page.

Having a dedicated Administrivia.First Come First Served page and folding the English policy page into it sounds like a good idea.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 9th 2024 at 12:19:16 PM

Given conversations elsewhere, I'd like to add a note to the end of How Crowners Work to say that we don't use Crowners for situations where anonymous voting can present problems. Specifically, not for:

• TLP launches (although they may still be used for aspects such as naming)
• Complete Monster
• Magnificent Bastard
• Content Violations discussions

Any concerns about this?

Edit: Updated

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 16th 2024 at 5:27:05 PM

We do hook crowners to TLP to decide a name though if there's a request, or is it in the past?

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 16th 2024 at 6:28:47 PM

TLP still get crowners on request (there's a thread on FAQ for it here) yes but consensus is a bit nebelous there because mods usually aren't to call crowners because well its not easy to monitor like threads crowners are . People are on TLP are usuallyleft figure it out on their own

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 16th 2024 at 12:24:22 PM

Thanks - updated the proposal accordingly

It would also be a good idea to list the reasons crowners won't be done in each case.

Edited by animuacid on Apr 16th 2024 at 6:34:50 PM

I disagree. I feel like listing a singular reason for all these instances would be sufficient enough.

In the main drop down index, the tips section of it has a Word Cruft link that should send you to the Word Cruft administration page but it instead sends you to the main Word Cruft page that no longer exists.

Also in the Tips section is FAQ which is one of those Administrivia pages that's "even scattered in Main/!"

Should Pages Needing Wicks be named Tropes Needing Wicks since it's exclusive to tropes?