Unclear Description: Parent Trap Plot

Looks like people want to combine Parent Trap Plot and Kids Play Matchmaker, with a soft split into the following subtropes:

• Children are trying to avoid a worse option for their parents
• Kids try to get their divorced parents back together
• Children of two single parents try to get their respective parents together

For someone who's more knowledgeable about the wiki, which would be easier?

• (1) Edit the Kids Play Matchmaker TLP to take into account change from crowner, launch, and cut Parent Trap Plot.
• (2) Trope transplant Parent Trap Plot to have all the content of the TLP, and rename to Kids Play Matchmaker.

As I understand it, the final product of each option would be identical. Is one of these easier than the other? Parent Trap Plot doesn't have a lot of wicks.

It seems option 4 has the most popularity.

I went ahead and made a Sandbox page for this. It's mostly cribbed from the TLP mentioned in the crowner.

I added examples from all of the wicks to Parent Trap Plot that had enough context. There are a few I wasn't sure about- please provide feedback and or/expansion on those.

Description looks good. Perhaps we should add another case for when kids found their favorite characters and try to matchmake their single parent with them. I think a lot of the unclassified examples will fall into that category.

Not sure I know what you mean. Why would anyone set their parents up with a character they don't like?

The thing about the variants is that they're all subtropes to the main trope. So it's quite reasonable to have examples that fit the supertrope but not any subtropes, which is where I think most of the Unclassified examples go. Maybe the folder should be renamed?

edited 29th Apr '18 6:57:02 AM by naturalironist

No, I mean kids try to match their parent with somebody they like. Like the example forPay It Forward where Trevor tries to bring his Single Mom Stripper and his Cool Teacher together.

Should we migrate examples from the TLP draft already?

- So, we got give hats to Kids Play Matchmaker TLP? As we're using that name to replace this trope?

I was thinking of migrating all the content from that page onto the Parent Trap Plot page (currently in Sandbox), to save the wicks, and bombing the TLP page so it doesn't get launched. What is the proper protocol here?

edited 30th Apr '18 7:06:31 PM by naturalironist

I have moved applicable examples from the TLP and wicks of the original page to Kids Play Matchmaker. I still need input on the following:

• Several migrated examples that seem imply correct usage, but don't have quite enough detail to classify. Anyone familiar with Frasier, Gossip Girl, or The First?
• Splitting the unclassified examples vs leaving them. My opinion is that all examples of the trope in any category would fall under "kids set up a parent with another adult that they know & like" and that wouldn't be a valid way to split but there hasn't been a lot of discussion on this.
• Migrating existing page to TLP or migrate TLP to existing page?

edited 4th May '18 9:04:34 AM by naturalironist

• Point 2: I would agree that "kids set up a parent with another adult that they know & like" is a common scenario to soft split. Actually more common than the "team-up" which only gathered one example so far which is not justifying a separate mentioning. It should go under Other.
• Point 3: Good question. At this point I think we are good to go live and not move back to TLP.

So I think the distinction you're making is between the kids going on a quest to find a new partner for their parent (A) versus setting their parent up with someone they already know and like (B). I think this is valid, but it overlaps unevenly with other subtropes. All examples of 'Parent Trap' Plot will be B, but examples of Escape the Wicked Stepmother can be either. So I would prefer to keep those other examples unclassified. After all, the soft split categories are subtropes, and not every examples of a trope has to fit into subtropes.

I'm ok with removing Team-Up Matchmaker. Perhaps we could fold this all into a paragraph discussing generally how kids tap into existing relationships for these kinds of plots?

Not sure what you mean my uneven overlap with other suptropes. Currently unclassified examples like Pay It Forward or The Mighty Ducks seem to fall into a well defined category of matchmaking your single parent with somebody you like. What other subset does this interfere with?

edited 20th May '18 9:44:32 AM by eroock

Honestly I don't really care that much. If you want to write up a description of your proposed additional category, please add that in a post or to the sandbox.

But here's a diagram explaining what I mean about these categories not fitting cleanly with the already existing ones:

I see. Let's drop that third option then as well as Team-Up Matchmaker as a common variant and go live.

Since the TLP has more than 5 hats, I moved the Sandbox contents there, with the intent of launching soon. Does everything look good?

Edit: Fixed.

edited 20th May '18 8:18:16 PM by naturalironist

- TLP Link is broken.

Launched Kids Play Matchmaker; working on wicks. How do people feel about keeping Parent Trap Plot as a redirect/alternate name, since it is an internal subtrope?

- I think it makes sense? Although, it's only got 234 inbounds and 27 wicks?

Down to 6 wicks, all of which need the trope to be called 'Parent Trap' Plot in order to make sense.

I've posted this elsewhere, but 'Parent Trap' Plot was on the Whole-Plot Reference and Trope Namers/Film indices. Now that 'Parent Trap' Plot is an Internal Subtrope, should it remain on these indicies?

- Could rework most / some of those examples as Film.The Parent Trap Shout Outs, and Kids Play Matchmaker entries as the actual situation.

Could be Implied Kids Play Matchmaker, like in Recap.Roommates Pages 1 Through 221 changing it to this?

• Kids Play Matchmaker: Implied and Subverted. You would think that a page with the subtitle "Parent Trap" would be this, as a Shout-Out to the plot of The Parent Trap... No it's not, it's a Parent with New Paramour.

So what's gonna happen to Parent Trap Plot?

- I'd say to make it a redirect or just have a cut message that explains things.

~naturalironist - So, you're not changing the last 6 wicks? ... Or it's just a matter of time? ... I'm on mobile, but I'll see what I can do...

Wait a sec, there's problems with the KPM name that were unresolved in TLP... Taking to Crash Rescue...

edited 24th May '18 6:37:58 AM by Malady

• I liked your write-ups, the thumbs up was telling you to go ahead and make the changes. No one responded to my post about the indices, so I am holding off on change the index wicks until the redirect/index issue is resolved.
• I support making Parent Trap Plot a redirect. I made a post on the create redirects/edit locked pages thread requesting a redirect, was told to do it myself, and haven't got around to it.
• Added a post to the crash rescue thread. I would support broadening the trope to "kids find a partner for older adult authority figure" rather than changing the name, as I think the plot is broadly similar.