Needs Help: Xenofictional Literature

There is a problem with this page's name. I think it needs to be renamed to Xenofiction Index because some of the people who have been editing this page don't realize that this is an index page, not a trope page, and they are confused about why there is both a page for Xenofiction and Xenofictional Literature. The name needs to be changed and the page cleaned up so that people won't treat this a trope page, which it is not.

edited 4th Dec '17 9:07:09 PM by legendaryweredragon

I think rather that these pages should be merged. Having an index separate from its trope is pointless and leads to confusion.

It's a genre. Those work as tropes that also do indexing. There's no need for two pages with the same definition.

I just answered this over on ATT. Didn't realize a forum thread had been created.

Yes, as the Duck said, it's a genre, and genres are generally handled slightly differently. One of the biggest differences is that genres are supposed to be listed "above the line" in the work's description, rather than down in the work's trope list.

It's pretty common to have medium subpages for genre, too. We have Science Fiction and Science Fiction Literature, Fantasy and Fantasy Literature, Horror and Horror Literature, etc. Note that Literature is not the same thing as Works!

I don't see anything wrong here, or in need of repair.

The issue is that Xenofictional Literature is NOT a subpage of Xenofiction. The title may confuse people into thinking it is a subpage.

I don't see how it's any different from Science Fiction Literature.

The difference, if you look at the examples, is that while Xenofictional Literature is an index of literature with Xenofiction being the main genre (or one of them), Xenofiction covers more specific parts of works that otherwise don't focus on it. I haven't checked the overlap, but a lot of the examples talk about certain chapters rather than the whole work. If it weren't for that I'd just suggest to move the literature examples to Xenofictional Literature and be done with it.

edited 11th Dec '17 10:15:02 PM by AnotherDuck

Oh. Yeah, that's kinda weird. Is it a genre or not? Google isn't offering me as much help as I'd like, though it does have pages other than ours.

It's a genre. And other genres can apply for just a chapter or episode. For instance, it's not that rare to have a Film Noir episode in a TV series that doesn't touch that genre otherwise.

But we have Noir Episode as a separate trope. And that seems to be a bit of an exception to the usual way things work. The appearance of a detective doesn't automatically turn a work (or even an episode) into Detective Fiction.

I'm honestly not sure what the best approach is here. But we shouldn't put non-literature examples on a page named X Literature.

I don't think there's a problem, unless we want to split it into a pure genre and those cases where it more briefly appears.

I am talking about the pages, not what the concepts are about. Xenofiction is a trope or genre page. Xenofictional Literature is an index page. The reason why I started this discussion is because a while ago somebody mistakenly thought that the latter page was a subpage of the former and tried to move a bunch of the content from former to the latter, which messed up the indexing. The name should be changed so that this doesn't happen again. By adding "Index" to the title, it will make it clear that it is an index and not a subpage of Xenofiction. Since Xenofiction has a folder for literature examples, Xenofictional Literature seems like a redundant page if it isn't made clear that it is an index.

edited 16th Dec '17 11:05:14 PM by legendaryweredragon

I added descriptions because someone on TLP said the literature portion of xenofiction was redundant. I have since fixed that, though.

I don't think it needs an "index" in the title. Several index pages don't.

Genre pages are supposed to index works in that genre. That's what all the other genre pages we have do. I don't know why you think this one should be different.

We shouldn't be making it clear that the literature page isn't a subpage; we should be making it clear that it is. Because it should be. That's how we do genres and their subpages.

(Either that, or we should merge them, if there aren't enough examples to justify a literature subpage.)

The pages should be treated in the same way as, say, Alternate History and Alternate History Literature.

Agreed.

Clock's up; locking for lack of activity/consensus. No action is to be taken on the basis of this thread.