It was a cheap sequel, technically speaking, but the “cheapquels” as they’re called are a specific thing with shared tropes and conventions shared among them brought on by a specific mandate/direction from Disney on-high, of which none of the movies before An Extremely Goofy Movie should reasonably be included.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Be Prepared won't be part of the movie [1]
Seriously? They cut the best song in the movie?
Don't understand that call, unless Ejiofor can't sing.
edited 19th Feb '18 6:37:53 PM by Galadriel
Not really a lord of anything
They clearly weren't prepared.
This song needs more love.
Once again my enthusiasm for this film plummets.
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It’s like they realized having Donald Glover and Beyoncé means they can try to pull other crap like this >:(
it's a living
boooo
On the other hand, given the somewhat more serious tone they're going for, like what they had in The Jungle Book, maybe a goose-stepping apocalyptic hyena rock opera seemed like it would clash a little more. And maybe it'll still get a nod, like Jungle Book's version of Trust In Me.
edited 20th Feb '18 12:16:08 AM by Unsung
I'm starting to get the feeling the CGI movie is rolling back to the first movie's unused idea of Scar being a rogue who shows up and just straight up murders Mufasa off the throne. There was that bit a while ago about how Scar and Mufasa aren't going to be brothers in this one, and Be Prepared also wouldn't fit that original characterization.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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They'll probably change Scar's song to a speech,so he's just speaking the song
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Wait, no uncle Scar?!?!?!?
edited 20th Feb '18 8:47:25 AM by wisewillow
I don't know about you guys but I'm getting major-league bad vibes about this movie being fast-tracked. Especially after they may be removing "Be Prepared".
Also, Disney is being very determined in this 'everybody's the right ethnicity' crap, which is ridiculous when it's all voice acted.
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> Also, Disney is being very determined in this 'everybody's the right ethnicity' crap, which is ridiculous when it's all voice acted.
Umm no it's far from crap,representation is pretty important
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Inclusion in voice acting is worthwhile and shouldn’t be dismissed just because it isn’t live-action. Coco, for instance, really benefitted from an all-Mexican cast regardless of being animated.
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Representation is indeed important, especially in voice acting. Saying otherwise is dismissive and kind of rude.
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I'd say in an ideal world, voice casting should be colour-blind. But we don't live in that ideal world. For many groups, every bit of representation matters.
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But all the characters in this are animals.
edited 29th Apr '18 7:52:51 PM by Aldo930
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They are all animals, but diversifying the cast there is still pretty helpful. It's noticeable how previous Disney animated films set in Africa, such as Tarzan or the original Lion King, have a dearth of black voices in their cast, which can lend an impression of "wanting Africa, without black people". I recall also that a point of criticism for the original Lion King was that the most non-white cast voices were among the villainous hyenas, which lends a pretty unfortunate reading to the imagery of "they're the outcasts who live in a hellhole, until one day they're all let into the country..."
I always thought that racist interpretation of the movie was pretty flimsy, considering that all three of the hyenas are voiced by actors of different ethnicities; the film's Good King is voiced by a black man; and the villain is a thinly-coded, foppish British aristocrat.
It’s flimsy in the case of the lions, especially since Scar gets a “literally Hitler” shot during Be Prepared. But it’s more pronounced with the hyenas as a side effect of there being fewer hyena characters, and even disregarding their casting the “Always Chaotic Evil outsiders are let in the nation and ruin it” angle can’t really be ignored.
edited 30th Apr '18 7:07:26 AM by Tuckerscreator
Let's not forget the good king who is voiced by a black man is also the first casualty in the film.
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It's hamlet with Lions,of course the good king was going to die
I don't think that's an example of Black Dude Dies First
edited 30th Apr '18 6:24:21 AM by Ultimatum
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I'm Sad Frogerson.
The idea of recasting The Lion King with a predominately black cast is nothing new. That's what the Broadway play has been doing for the past 20 years. It's still a nice display of representation for the remake to cast actors of African descent as African characters, even if they are animals. The original film takes a lot of inspiration from a wide variety of African cultures, from the Swahili names of the characters, to the Zulu opening to the Circle of Life, to the Swahili phrase of Hakuna Matata. It's completely justified for the filmmakers to cast the film to be more culturally appropriate.
Agreed.
Still think it’s gonna be ass though.
I wish they'd gotten Hannibal Burress in there somehow, to be honest.
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