I'll second a cut.
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Do it.
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A cut seems like a good idea.
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Kill it.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
No, the other one.
Sometimes I wonder if people even read the tropes before deciding they're duplicates. The bar for cutting trope doesn't exactly seem high.
I think it's not exactly like Impossible Theft, in that it's about items that aren't impossible to steal, like wallets and watches. It's about a trick to show off how good the thief is.
If anything Impossible Theft has a lot of misuse with examples of stealing things that aren't actually impossible, or even implausible. Just difficult. If even that. Those examples should go here, but since no one knows it exists, they don't find it.
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The point of Impossible Theft isn't "this can't be stolen". If it couldn't be stolen, then it wouldn't be and there'd be no examples. Therefore it is possible to steal the targets of an Impossible Theft. The name is more about "there is no conceivable method for the theft to occur", like Beyond the Impossible.
That's not to say Impossible Thief didn't get misused for Thief, but I'm slogging through the examples to make sure it lists a theft that might be improbable.
Character A stealing stuff that Character B is wearing/holding is common enough I'd like a split, but Hey Thats Mine isn't used enough to keep as a redirect so there's no point in rescuing it. I say kill because the Stock Phrase hasn't attracted decent interest in over four years, so the draft-trope in YKTTW might as well take the examples from Impossible Theft instead.
edited 14th Jan '16 1:35:07 PM by crazysamaritan
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I want to cut it more because it's really unhealthy, needs a new name, new examples, new wicks, and the description could use work. Best thing to do in that senario for the trope is cut it and start over with a fresh YKTTW.
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No, the other one.
You go do that. I'm not touching YKTTW with a ten foot pole unless I'm paid to do it.
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One of the 10 was a ptitle redirect that is recently cut.
With it being named after a line of dialog, I don't see a reason to save it. So, supporting a cut.
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drop a MOAB on it
Aye, cut. Even if the trope concept is salvageable, this page has nothing worth keeping.
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Yeah, that's why I say just cut it. It's the same as No Really Its Okay; I agree it could be a trope, but it needs to be rebuilt from the ground up and I don't see anyone jumping to do that. I'd rather cut it and let someone do that if they decide they have time than just leave it be.
No, the other one.
Not "could be". "Is". There's nothing wrong with the description. The name sucks, though, which is probably why it's been forgotten.
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If you can help me finish cleaning/Cross Wicking Impossible Thief examples, then I'll help you with renaming and Cross Wicking this trope.
But as part of that, I want to hash out the distinctions between
edited 15th Jan '16 11:29:08 AM by crazysamaritan
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No, the other one.
Impossible Theft is about stealing something you wouldn't think is possible. A watch you can slip around someone's wrist, or undo without too much trouble if you know what you're doing. Someone's underwear should be physically impossible to remove, so it would fall here. Stealing something someone is actively watching and them not noticing it would also qualify, but not if it's stolen during a distraction (given that the distraction is long enough relative to the size of the object). The exact line can be fine to draw, but the main point is that it's portrayed as an impossible task. The trope is about the task itself, rather than the performing character (primarily, since the character is obviously also affected by it).
Hey Thats Mine is about a trick to show off how good the character is at pickpocketing. Frequently used by kleptomaniacs, or to show them as such in the first place. The key part is that it's a demonstration of skill, rather than a means to acquire something hard or impossible to steal. It's a characterisation trope.
Give Me Back My Wallet is basically when the first one fails, to show that the target is the perceptive one. The trickiest is probably when someone steals a marked wallet that's meant as a trap for the thief, since it kind of involves both. It's also a characterisation trope.
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The way I see it is Hey Thats Mine is more them moment you see a pickpocket walk away and they always reveal to the camera that they stole it. Occasionally the victim notices way after the crime, giving the stock phrase, leading to the chase.
No, the other one.
That's still about the demonstration.
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"Any demonstration of their slight of hand skill" doesn't match the definition we currently have. Slight Of Hand would probably be a decent trope, though. We have some of the tropes associated with it, like Quick Change, Pick a Card, and Stage Magician.
Is that trope what you want to create?
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No, the other one.
Where did you quote "Any demonstration of their slight of hand skill" from?
I don't want to create a trope. I want to keep the trope that's there.
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You implicitly approved of ~Memers's example, which was not the current trope. The current trope definition is "pickpocket shows the victim what had been stolen by them". To include Memers's example, it would be any demonstration of that skill, even if the skill is not shown to the victim.
This is why we need to hammer out a strong definition before relaunching. What gets included and what gets excluded. Obviously, the current definition only allows small items to be stolen, which means it disallows certain types of examples. Pants are problematic; are they considered "small"?
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No, the other one.
That's still not "Any demonstration of their slight of hand skill".
We don't have a description as much as an Example as a Thesis, which tends to have problems with being too specific to a certain example, and describing what it looks like rather than explaining the point of the trope.
I'm a bit uncertain over if Memers' example would fit or not, though. It fits the main idea, but lacks in details; running off with it in particular.
"Small" probably covers what you can comfortably carry on your person, which would include clothes.
edited 21st Jan '16 2:05:52 PM by AnotherDuck
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You're backpedaling. First you said there was nothing wrong with the description, now there is. First you say Memers example is about the slight of hand demonstration, now maybe that isn't the trope.
This is why I said there's nothing here actually worth keeping, and we'd get more examples by mining from Impossible Theft than from this page. Speaking of which, you haven't helped me with that yet.
"Can comfortably carry"; some more restrictions probably should apply... Superman could comfortably carry a building. Does "a baby" count for "an average human can comfortably carry"?
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No, the other one.
I think the description is clear enough, but others obviously don't. That thing about what Memers said is still true. I think it would fit, but if we're going to tweak it or make any other changes, it might not.
I'm not going to do anything about examples on Impossible Theft unless we decide what to do with this one. If you decide to cut it, which most of you seem to want to do, then all that work would be for naught, and stuff like that is the main reason I quit being active in TRS in the first place.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/SingleProposition/HeyThatsMine
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Older than four years, has 10 wicks and 2 inbounds, and the title comes from Stock Phrases. Seven posts in-thread stating support for a cut.
Older than four years, has 10 wicks and 2 inbounds, and Line Of Dialogue Title.
Most examples are already duplicated on Impossible Theft and serves the same purpose.
Recommendation: cut. Anything that could be salvaged is better going through YKTTW fresh with examples from Impossible Theft.
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