Justice League vs. Teen Titans

Going to happen anyway if that Judas Contract adaption was made (though that was going to be closer to the comics in terms of story).

Still, one positive I give about this movie is the whole plot line of Trigon using the JLA to take over the world. My one complaint with the Terror of Trigon story was how the Justice League was not involved in events of an interdimensional demon ass raping the planet Earth (which is part of the prerequisite for any Justice League mission).

Watching it now. At the part where Raven gets attacked.

Holy Magical Girl transformations, Batman!

I did not see that coming when I first watched that scene. Makes you wonder if any of the other DC Heroes have their own magical girl sequence?

Oh wait they do have some: - Fleischer Superman with that phone booth costume change.

- Linda Carter Wonder Woman with her magical spin.

- Martian Manhunter just shapeshifting

- The Batman suit up sequence

- The Flash whenever he uses that ring of his.

- Green Lantern whenever he uses his ring as well

- Etrigan whenever Jason Blood says that nursery rhyme to summon him.

- Static whenever he puts on his costume (And if they ever do a sequel to this, please for the love of god include this hero, or at least a standalone movie starring Static)

- Even the Avengers have one when they put on their armor (but we don't talk about that often)

The seem to be giving Nightwing short shrift in these things. And I admit I'm biased, given that I don't care for Damian at all, but I wish they'd quit giving Damian so much screen time...

Given how he is essentially the main character in the last animated movie (Bad Blood), I think it makes some since for Dick being a minor character in this movie since he already got his time to shine. But yeah the writers of these movies seem to favor Damian a lot, but at least they are toning him down to being as likable as his comic book counterpart.

Sucks that none of the other Robins appear in these movies. If I were to say who truly get the short end of the stick in this deal, my money is on Tim Drake who has the least (zero) number of appearances in these films

Anyone think his overpowering of Blue Beetle pretty crazy? I mean I get Damian is more skilled in combat but shouldn't Beetle have more stuff like super-strength. Damian's still physically a kid after all.

Damien needs be shilled whether at combat or DDR

This was my favorite of the current DC AU's films. It didn't have anything that was outright offensively stupid in it. Also Superman did things for the first time since Justice League War.

I was surprised Batman was the one to get Worfed this time. (Though granted, it made sense because everyone else, being superpowered, could avert getting knocked out by the pain needed to break Trigon's control.)

He did get one Superdickery moment in with breaking Flash's leg.

The look on Batman's face when Diana suggested Clark would pull the moon from the sky.

What was wrong with Throne of Atlantis?

I didn't bring up Throne of Atlantis, but if you wish to talk about it sure! The worst of all sins that a form of entertainment could commit. It was boring. The most boring feature of the new universes animated movies.

Also there's a part in it, where the military are in formation in front of the giant tidal wave and a few of them start shooting (I think) , then it cuts. We never return to the soldiers, but I think that the wave hadn't parted to reveal the Atlantian Army at the time (which is stupid in of itself, I mean just crush the wave down and drown the city and it's soldiers and then send the foot troopers to clean up any survivors) so I think those two soldiers were in the context of the film, prepare to open fire at a tidal wave.

edited 4th Apr '16 8:36:53 AM by SilentlyHonest

Throne of Atlantis is part of the New 52 current DCAU films.

And as I haven't watched it yet and didn't really plan to, I won't argue it not being boring. It's just since they've been making these films on the regular, Bad Blood, War, TOL, Titans vs League, Son of Batman, Batman vs Robin, it'd seem like they were doing well enough.

Son of Batman and Batman vs Robin were the only ones I'd have said were bad.

Fair enough but;

I don't think anyone said otherwise.

edited 4th Apr '16 9:52:31 AM by SilentlyHonest

Well, I watched it. And I think I realized my biggest problem with this movie and I really hate saying it. The cartoon did this better.

To start with, I'll admit I do not like Damian much and him going to back to Son of Batman levels of Brattiness did not help my opinion. The second reason is that Trigon is somehow more threatening in a Y-7 cartoon than a PG-13 movie. I thought it would be the other way around.

As for the Justice League, I found them unnecessary. I think it would have been better if they were only part of the movie's opening and that was it. It would have helped more if there was more of a focus on the Titans instead of the split they got.

Also, I feel it was a huge misstep to use Trigon right away. If Raven is such a powerful sorceress that she can defeat Trigon with little problem...wait what did I just type? Yeah, Raven is talented enough to defeat Trigon relatively simply. Congratulations! You rendered almost every Titans villain non threatening. I mean if Raven can beat the big Mac-daddy of Titans villains (and one of the biggest threats in DC as a whole) how threatening can someone like Brother Blood be?

Like I said earlier, this movies biggest problem is that the cartoon exists. It simply had more time, more buildup, and more character development. Or to put it another way, I have a hard time giving it a higher rating when a superior alternative exists.

Overall, I give it a 6/10 for me personally. Now in terms of pure entertainment it's actually an 8/10, but the flaws it has bring the score down a bit.

I saw it. I only got about halfway through it before I ended up skimming through the rest. Character and writing wise it's very... standard. It's a lot of stuff they've done before, again - so it's not bad, just not all that interesting. It also reminded me of Avengers Assemble and the recent Ninja Turtles series in how some things, even plot important things, clearly only happen because the writers wanted to emulate something else - going past shout-out levels.

There's a lot of "hey, just like the old show!" moments, and while it doesn't break the flow of the show as badly as Avengers Assemble does it's still really noticeable and groan-worthy.

To be fair, Raven had that exact same problem in the 2000's show and continues to do so in the comics. It's something that hits magic users in comics a lot because of how powerful and versatile their abilities really are: at times they can do anything and defeat anyone, and other times they can't because it would ruin the plot (it's also why if Marvel Studios knows what they're doing they won't have Dr. Strange join the Avengers any time soon). The only way the 2000's show wrote around it (and even so, only barely) is by nerfing her to largely using telekinesis and only using other powers in rare situations - so we barely see the full scope of her abilities except when it's important. IIRC, there was also a habit of writing her out of situations that she could easily fix, a la Superman in Justice League.

Basically, they hid the fact that compared to everyone else in the show she's ludicrously powerful as best they could.

Though funnily enough in the comics Blood is an occult sorcerer type and explicitly immune to some of Raven's powers, so he's not the best example.

edited 5th Apr '16 8:54:48 PM by KnownUnknown

I am amused how Trigon... basically does fuck all when he comes to earth. He shoots lasers at a few buildings. Doesn't even fully destroy them.

Why not... use that magic annihilation wave he used on Azerath? Or.. do... anything. He's just casually strolling and shooting random building facades.

edited 6th Apr '16 3:27:57 PM by Ghilz

He's taking his time man.

Why's he gotta be in a rush? Earth is just earth. You don't rush destroying Earth. Gotta build up the fear first.

He just got to Earth. You don't go for a run without stretching a little first.

Exactly.

Soble gets it.

Good for you man.

Wouldn't it be better to get it out of the way though?

NO!

You don't rush this stuff man.

Some things, ya gotta savour.

You don't get any satisfaction if you speed through it too fast.

Plus, if he went quickly, the heroes wouldn't have a chance to win. You must be slow. Yes. Slow is good.

And besides, if anything, the movie seems more like a retelling of Trigon's first appearance in the New Teen Titans then the actual Terror of Trigon story (you know, his debut where he is taken down immidiately before becoming a huge threat later on after Kid Flash left, Terra betrayed the team, and Deathstroke's mute son joined). Honestly considering the difference in time constraint of a tv show and a movie, it is pretty unfair comparison.

For comparison sake, lets compare Darkseid's first invasion in this universe to the one in the DCAU. In the DCAU he has been hinted at wanting to take over the planet as far back as the middle of season one and was developed gradually as this all powerful being of pure evil. While in the NU 52 version he just sort of appeared with no development on his invasion as it just happened immediately and just show up as the guy that give the League a reason to team up. Clearly if the New 52 movie was a tv show, Darkseid would of been used sparringly as a final villain like he was in the DCAU (though then again the actual New 52 comics used Darkseid in the first comic arc, but that was to set up that whole long storyline that would lead into the Darkseid War).

edited 6th Apr '16 8:44:12 PM by BigK1337

So me and my cousin were hanging around in my room about to watch Batman/Superman Public Enemies, because we decided to sit through all of the Straight to DVD DC animated features. Before we did I opened twitter, and saw WB tweet a poster that had on it, "Starfire Vs. Superman, see this fight in Justice League vs. Teen Titans out on DVD".

That fight never happens in the movie for those who haven't seen it yet. In fact Superman fights mostly Justice League members.

edited 7th Apr '16 10:25:03 AM by SilentlyHonest

Talk about false advertisement. She technically did fight him with the other Titans, but as far as one-on-one goes she only fought Wonder Woman.

Though she totally did fight Supes in that Red Hood and the Outlaws comic, and let's leave it at that.