Duplicate Image: Jabba Table Manners

Previous thread. Too Hungry to Be Polite has the same image as Jabba Table Manners. While the latter precedes the former's use of the image, it defines the trope as "to show that a powerful (usually fat) and important person is a corrupt villain by having him wastefully wolf down food with loud slurps-burps-slobbering". While Beast is initially an antagonist, his Heel–Face Turn is already underway by this part in the movie—the lively colors suggest an honest mistake in a cheery setting, not a greedy villainous slob establishing their lack of manners. It doesn't illustrate the trope, and it's Not An Example.

As a replacement I was thinking of one of the "Jafar eating an apple" images from here (I like #118). The Obviously Evil Jafar and Go-Go Enslavement of Jasmine is much clearer with establishing the important 'villain' part of the trope.

Opened.

Jabba Table Manners didn't used to signify "villain". It was redefined to be almost identical to Villainous Glutton?

The tropes aren't identical, though. One's about signifying the villainness by the sloppiness, and the other by eating a lot. Sure, a lot of overlap, probably because it's so easy to get two points for one, but one can be sloppy without being a big eater, and one can eat a lot without being a slob.

That said, at least pull the image from Jabba Table Manners.

"Almost" :)

Just think it's important to hash out the differences between similar tropes when it comes to finding an image, since it's better to find one that isn't overlapping.

I dunno. With context, he's totally a villain in that scene still, though he is indeed starting down the "not so scary" path. Without context, he's a monster, the colors don't seem stronger than that.

As far as I can tell, the definition has always been (or at least since the first still recorded edit in 2010) that it's for villains specifically, not just anyone who's a slob at the table.

^ He looks embarassed, not as someone who could care less. The scenery only adds to making it look like the wacky lighthearted moment it is. By contrast Jafar looks like a smug villain with Red and Black and Evil All Over. And IIRC, Beast had already saved Belle several scenes before this moment, and it's them bonding at that point. It's a stretch to call him a villain at that point even in context.

It's also a criticism of the wastefulness of the rich, and he's dressed in nice clothes, sitting on a throne-like chair, and has a jeweled goblet. Seems decent to me.

(PS: Also, the phrase is "couldn't care less" :)

edited 16th Jul '15 1:35:12 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I'm not sure if people will necessarily jump to "wasteful evil aristocrat" with Beast's "What? Oops." expression and the cheery scenery. We can still do better. For illustration, here are probably the two most prominent Jafar shots scaled down to 350px.

^ Yeah, caught that. You're a stickler for correct language, aren't you? :)

edited 16th Jul '15 1:54:09 PM by Morgenthaler

The latter works a little better. On the downside, it's very red.

No, not a stickler, in general only correct people if I think the correction will be welcome; correcting people's grammar is kind of a dick move. That one ("could care less") is a pet peeve for a huge number of people though—almost as bad as "irregardless"—so it's good to avoid. Same with "begging the question".

I would like to hear more than three people's opinion :)

Another thing on why I don't think Beast is a good choice, aside from poorly illustrating the trope: he's not an example of the trope either. While a good image is not the same thing as the best example, yes, in this particular case I suspect that the work is widely-known enough that it would generate misuse by associating the image with a character whose entire arc is "Heel–Face Turn".

Sure he is. See comment #7.

To which I replied with #8. Let's just agree to disagree and see how this goes.

He looks more friendly than villanous.

What about Mr Creosote from Monty Python? [1]◊

That's pretty good.

Aye, that one looks like the trope to me.

17 is a good find, but I'll have to agree with Duck that it would be better if we had an image that didn't overlap with Villainous Glutton.

17 works for me.

edited 18th Jul '15 11:31:01 AM by rodneyAnonymous

I don't like 17, because the fat guy looks more like a moron than a villain. Still preferring Jafar.

Bump. Do people have more suggestions, or shall we crowner this?

Let's crowner it.