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Just to clarify, are you quoting American figures on anime, or the Japanese figures? Because this article is mostly about animation as viewed from a western perspective. The Haruhi stuff was huge in Japan, but despite the ubiquity it was mostly limited to the anime fandom in western markets.
Problem there is that a cap from the movie would be almost indistinguishable with a cap from the show, which more associated with the 90's age of animation.
edited 13th Oct '14 8:05:40 AM by JapaneseTeeth
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We could try to crop this
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I am quoting Japanese figures, as really that is the place that matters on the way that the medium evolves and reacts, cherry picking western stuff is pointless past the 2000s especially since we get it all with internet streaming.
The fact that it is written so Western centric is an issue I have with this but if it has to be western centric then Haruhi is probably the way to go.
edited 13th Oct '14 8:14:27 AM by Memers
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Well, the page itself is almost entirely focused on Western perspectives. Whether or not it should be is a question for the Trope Repair Shop threads. But to illustrate the page as written, I'd go with Spirited Away, as that's actually mainstream.
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How's this?
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This represents:
- American 3D Animated Film.
- American 2D Animated Film.
- American 3D Animated TV.
- American 2D Animated TV.
- European Animation.
- Anime.
I'd say it's quite good, though if anyone has a better Simpsons Movie image, please say so.
edited 13th Oct '14 8:33:36 AM by WackyPancake
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8 is better than 3 (Haven't seen yet). But seeing 8, I agree that we might not need an anime series.
Wakfu sound like good replacement so we get something flash(being french is a bonus). I suggest Pucca as an alternative.
8's breakdown:
3 movies, 3 series
2 CGI, 2 anime, 1 traditional western, 1 stop-motion
3 american, 2 Japanese, 1 British.
edited 13th Oct '14 8:36:06 AM by m8e
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Looks good, only possible change I would make is swapping something from Up for Wall-E, though that's a very minor quibble.
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No, the other one.
Both 3 and 8 look better than 31.
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I think it's pretty good, though I'm still a bit leery of including the Simpsons, given that they're more associated with the 90's, even though the movie did come out later. Replace them with something else (I'd suggest either Avatar The Last Airbender, ponies, or Wakfu) and I think it's as good as we're gonna get.
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I'd sooner include MLP than The Simpsons, honestly. That's pretty much the '90s incarnate.
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If we want a 2D animated movie from this age, we always have The Princess And The Frog.
I wouldn't include MLP personally, so that's why I decided to replace it with Clone Wars. It is entirely popular due to Memetic Mutation on the Internet, and it carries some extremely negative connotations. I'd rather have a less controversial show.
If you're going to replace the Simpsons, I think Wakfu is the best one out of the three choices above. Avatar is a little too anime, and if you don't know about it it's easy to mistake it for a Japanese show.
Maybe The Secret Of Kells? It is hand-drawn and European!
edited 13th Oct '14 11:47:04 AM by WackyPancake
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No, the other one.
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And I don't really think "but there are people who don't like the show!" is a valid reason to pull an image. There are people who do like the show, too. Why should the people who would violently flip out at the sight of an off-color equine have more consideration?
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It's not a bad choice, though now that I've remembered The Secret of Kells I'd rather have that. It was nominated for an Oscar!
It's not that the people don't like it, it's that its fanbase is -ahem- peculiar. While I'm aware not all bronies all the same, let's admit it: The "bad" part of the fanbase is enormous. It's no fault of the show, but I'd rather not be associated with them, and this day and age an image of a pony is bound to remind someone of them.
edited 13th Oct '14 12:06:58 PM by WackyPancake
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So your argument really is entirely "I don't like it."
That's may be a valid opinion, but not a valid argument against its inclusion.
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What? I just said I don't mind the show, just the associations it carries.
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Fair enough, but even still, none of those really matter when it comes to its inclusion in a collage of other cartoons. It just seems petty to me.
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The association doesn't matter. Since MLP is more popular the Clone Wars, we should have it up there, despite the fact that there are people who don't like it (I am neutral on the whole thing to be honest). And again, Princess And The Frog would be a better choice to go up there than The Simpsons Movie, since The Simpsons has been around since the 90's while The Princess and the Frog is more modern day.
edited 13th Oct '14 12:15:17 PM by SatoshiBakura
I'm saying it for the wiki, mainly.
We already have a bad rap as being a bunch of creepy neckbeards, and I don't think including MLP in this collage will do much to fix that.
Then again, I'm just a person. If a majority decides they should include MLP, then so be it.
Someone requested the 2D film image to not be from Disney, so that's why I'm currently insisting on The Secret of Kells. Princess and the Frog is good too, though.
edited 13th Oct '14 12:16:53 PM by WackyPancake
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Pretty sure the wiki doesn't operate based on what other people think of us.
I mean, there are some exceptions, like cracking down on articles on skeevier works. MLP is not a skeevy work, so it's exempt from that. But having a pony in an image implying we're neckbeards? I'll just use Willbyr's response to a similar worry I'd raised in another thread
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I don't think it'll look good, but it's your choice.
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It's pretty much official policy that "I don't like this" is not a one of the criteria that goes into determining a page image. Also, I seriously doubt that including a screenshot from the show as part of a montage about modern animation is really going to cause much of a stir. If the only argument is "including a screencap of the show is going to reflect badly on the wiki due to the activities of some of the fandom", then I don't think it's a valid reason not to include it.
Also, claiming that it's popularity stems only from Memetic Mutation is simply inaccurate. There is a lot of memetic mutation coming from the show, but the reason it's popular is because it's higher quality than most people expected. But I'd rather not derail into a discussion of that.
Somebody want to put together a mockup image so we can vote or whatever?
Also, Wakfu is a animated French show that is awesome.
edited 13th Oct '14 12:57:58 PM by JapaneseTeeth
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The only non-Disney, traditionally animated, succesful film in the last few years is The Simpsons Movie. We could swap Haruhi for that.
edited 13th Oct '14 8:04:27 AM by WackyPancake
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