Seeing a lot of ZCE and misuse as well. Might need a trip to the TRS as well.
The trope name doesn't really portray the "Badass Normal that fights the supernatural" thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigadier
Brigadier is just a military rank, right?
edited 3rd Oct '14 11:46:13 AM by bitemytail
It's named after a character, a la how tropes like Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist used to be "Inspector Zenigata". I'd say it'd need a rename, but that'd be for TRS to judge, not I.*
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It looks like it does - a Brigadier in British tradition means the highest ranking officer out in the field, so nothing about the supernatural elements really suggests that from name.
edited 3rd Oct '14 11:54:54 AM by RatherRandomRachel
"Did you expect somebody else?"
iRidescence
The name is too vague, and the image follows it. Not very good.
Fanatical Dabbler
The character is the trope namer and totally archetypal, and comes from one of the best-known fan-favoured genre series in existence. I would bet money that the majority of people looking at the page will have seen enough of the source material to recognise the character instantly, and to get the reference before their eyes have finished focusing.
This is one instance when Just A Face is all that is needed; even the caption is pretty superfluous. Changing it would just be bizarre.
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Hi
Agreed; the current is a classic JAFAAC...that said, I think this could be really hard to capture in image form.
^^^ Then it is exactly the wrong sort of page image. Please read the Just A Face And A Caption article. This could be the page image for that.
"Nobody who isn't a fan of the show will get who this character is or how they fit the trope [...] The point of the page image is to provide a quick, sharp visual illustration of the trope for everyone. [...] The image doesn't have to show a face, and doesn't have to have a caption. If understanding it requires familiarity or explanation from someone who is familiar with the work, it's JAFAAC."
A character from classic Doctor Who is nowhere near the "exception to JAFAAC" line. That's, like, Jesus, or Superman. Even Robin Hood is borderline.
edited 3rd Oct '14 5:20:14 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
I think we can find something if we keep looking. It would be a lot easier if the page had more examples to work with, though.
Here's a Doctor Who poster showing the Brigadier, but with a background that adds a lot of context. There's even a relevant quote, although of course the type is a bit small.
edited 3rd Oct '14 5:41:52 PM by Embryon
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."I think that is an improvement. Quote as caption?
@6: How much do you want to bet?
Does it matter that the suggested poster doesn't technically indicate that he's a Muggle? I mean, there are plenty of normal human-looking characters on that show that are far from, right?
ETA: Another concern with using the Trope Namer is possible encouragement of misuse of the trope.
edited 3rd Oct '14 6:05:48 PM by Leaper
Hi
That's a definite improvement...I'm good with that pending other suggestions.
10 and 11 both work for me.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I am going to have to agree with 12, it is not illustrative what so ever and Trope Namer Syndrome seems to be striking hard.
edited 4th Oct '14 12:49:06 AM by Memers
Fanatical Dabbler
That poster image certainly works for me. The character's mundane humanity is surely emphasised by all the nonhuman creatures in the background, after all.
Putting a quote underneath which is already visible on the image feels superfluous, but whatever.
= Spindriver =
"Just as planned."
I'll say 10 is an improvement over the present, but I'm thinking it may be better to just pull it.
"Did you expect somebody else?"
I support 10, it's far better than the current, and better still than leaving it blank. I'm a big fan of Doctor Who, but I've never really seen any of the original series, so I don't really know who he is, and it still works for me.
Also, I think it's worth noting that military men in sci-fi series in general tend to be the Muggle and the Badass Normal, that's not restricted to Doctor Who by any means.
edited 7th Oct '14 5:17:20 AM by nitrokitty
Alright, it's up and tagged. Caption (like the one from @11, maybe) or no?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Despite the fact that the quote is from the Trope Namer, I somehow feel like it's too vague. The use of "deal with" and "odd/unexplained" makes me think of a Paranormal Investigation team, rather than a military organization.
That said, I don't have a better suggestion.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."
iRidescence
Well, the people are in military uniforms, so I don't see how that could be confused for the other.
It's not that I find it misleading, necessarily — it's just that as a quote it could work for a number of related tropes, whereas I would prefer something that nailed the military leader angle a bit more. Plus, it's a character trope, so the "we" is a bit off.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."
No discussion on a caption for a while, and I don't think that 11 has enough support; requesting closure.
For people who want to have a quotes discussion ... Quotes thread. Have fun.
Hi
Well... what can be said about this?
The trope is apparently about a person who battles supernatural forces, is a Reasonable Authority Figure and is also a Muggle.
But nothing in the image suggests that at all. It's potholed to Doctor Who, but all I see is one man in a military uniform, but nothing about how he battles said forces, nor about his style of management.
"Did you expect somebody else?"