Does Not Illustrate (caption crowner 20/9/14): Scissors Cuts Rock

Looks good.

Though I like having Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors potholed, e.g.:

edited 5th Sep '14 11:42:49 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I've also like to point out that Squirtle's Punny Name actually implies that it fights with water, so whether or not it's obvious that it's a Water type fighting a Fire type doesn't seem to matter to me.

What I'm not seeing in that image is Squirtle winning against the fire dragon. It strikes me as an example of Elemental Ignorance, not of this trope (because "scissors tries to beat rock and fails" is not this trope).

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Water is not strong vs fire in a lot of games actually. Take Final Fantasy X for example, water is not even related to fire. Ice is the only one related to it and they are both weak to each other. Heck most games do not even have a water element or even a Strong/weak system.

This is a game mechanic trope, IMO it needs something from an actual game like say a screen of Pokemon battle saying 'not very effective' and 'X has fainted'.

edited 7th Sep '14 11:47:02 AM by Memers

^^ That is backwards. The dragon/fire is the scissors, squirtle/water is the rock. Normally water beats fire in the Pokemon world, but probably not there.

edited 7th Sep '14 11:33:16 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Just use the fingers crushing the fist. That is literally the best image you can hope to find.

I disagree. I don't think it's a very good image at all. It illustrates the name of the trope, but not the trope. Part of the job of a page image is to communicate meaning to people who don't know what the trope is; I don't think that helps.

So caption it with "I have more strength in my two fingers than you do in your whole fist", which is what this trope is about.

The thing I am less than fond of in the Pokemon example is we do not see any water, making it less than obvious that Squirtle uses water in the first place. The caption helps, but I feel like the might be something better.

At the moment though it is my favorite one. I think using an example with elements makes it very clear what the trope is about, while the doubling up on the rock-paper-scissors metaphor is less clear.

By the way, here's the comic that the original image came from. I think an image of only the three rightmost panels might work.

edited 14th Sep '14 4:08:45 PM by Druplesnubb

The "fingers crushing the fist" doesn't even look like that; it looks like the fingers are being stretched too far in the wrong direction.

I also support the Pokemon image (then again I'm totally biased) but we may need a better illustration like showing the Fire actually scorching the Water like someone else said before.

Other than Squirtle's name?

Yes. To people not familiar with pokemon, that name is meaningless.

That would work, although I prefer the hand image.

Crowner time, I think.

Squirt...

I think that the pokemon one is better then nothing, but I agree a better picture is likely possible. I have no suggestions at the moment, however.

I think we're overestimating the likelihood of people being unfamiliar with Pokémon. It's a cultural phenomenon, and those particular Pokémon have been around well over a decade.

While Pokemon might be famous but how many can name or type all of them?... Less than you might think.

Anyway I still say we need a 'not very effective' 'target has fainted' pic.

edited 15th Sep '14 2:46:35 PM by Memers

Arguments about how well-known something is tend not to work.

I know very little about Pokemon, and think that's an okay picture. Not great, but okay, and the best suggestion so far. It is missing some information, but that can be made up for by the caption.

Honestly as a Fire Emblem fan I may be a bit biased towards the fire emblem one, but that Squirtle vs. Charizard image is awesome. How about this for the caption though?

"You squirt as if to douse a candle, but you only stoke the fires of hell!"

P.S: I originally created this trope, but I forgot about it and somebody else launched it instead of me, fun fact.

edited 15th Sep '14 10:41:58 PM by RaustBD

I like that, but we should not make an All Blue Entry.

On top of that, I think there should be a link to something other than the Fire Emblem series with a quote that badass. I don't just mean the Making a Splash link either.

Would we also need to add in a note at the end of the caption saying where the picture is from, as I've seen elsewhere, or would we have the picture itself link to its source?

Nah, sources are potholed in images.

So that means, for that caption I suggested, it'd have to:

1: Have Fire Emblem Awakening potholed in somewhere, as it's a slightly modified quote from Walhart from that game, 2: Have a pothole for pokemon, 3: Not be an All Blue Entry.

Any suggestions?

edited 16th Sep '14 6:30:48 AM by RaustBD

How about this?

edited 16th Sep '14 9:24:20 AM by RaustBD