Cartoon Network in General

Hmm, that actually was kind of rude now that I think about it. Sorry about that. I was kind of cranky when I posted that.

"Hey, gimme a minute to get to know everyone, 'kay, Brainy?" "Of course, but please allow me to get a word in, too, bzz."

So is CN gonna screw over Justice League Action like they have with any DC cartoon not named GO recently?

Like I know there giving Action an hour long premier but is the show's regular time-slot gonna be a shit one?

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I'd rather wait and see how it goes, but I'm kind of worried that they might not give much promotion for Justice League Action. Time will tell.

Anyways, from my observations, Christina Miller seems less like a moral guardian and more like a more marketing focused person. She's not censoring, she's sterilizing. The scheduling, with a massive increase of promotion towards Teen Titans Go, is at the expense of most of their other shows. Steven Universe, Gumball, and We Bare Bears get a lot of promotion, but not to the extent of TTG. Hell, PPG 2016 is barely aired anymore because of how much of a failure it turned out to be. Cartoon Network has begun following the Nickelodeon model: it better swim or sink right away, otherwise it can fuck off.

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"Pretentious" isn't the right word. Perhaps "hipster" would be better.

Or "forced coolness." The new show is just screaming that it's hip and down with the kids and failing to convince anyone of it. Things that are really cool - like the old show - don't need to say so; they exude it.

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."

calling people hipsters is so pretentious (and also something that I'd have thought died back in 2013)

It wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't so ham-fisted and poorly handled. Like, even My Life as a Teenage Robot's version of that character archetype was handled better, and it was still handled pretty badly there, but they had the good sense not to make that villain a recurring character.

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"PPG 2016 Not being promoted" Am I a jerk if I admit Im not mourning that dreck?

edited 16th Dec '16 4:29:47 PM by AegisP

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I'll agree with that.

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Hamfisted and poorly done calling out is not good, I'll agree, but the original post seemed to imply any calling out of convervatism was a moral guardian thing.

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I mean, it is, in a way, no doubt, but being a "moral guardian" thing doesn't automatically make something good or bad. It's more how it's implemented that determines its quality.

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though honestly I saw that character less as an attack on conservatism and more as one of those awful "girls vs. boys" things that should've died way back in the '80s or '90s.

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The original Powerpuff Girls handled sexism with more nuance and better writing than the new one does.

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Moral Guardians are a real problem for Cartoon Network Latin America. A lot of the material that airs just fine in the US has segments edited out and dialogue bowdlerized for the CN LA releases.

I don't know, personally I think Manboy is kinda funny if only cause they take his "manly" shtick completely over the top.

He usually gets a couple chuckles out of me.

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CN Australia cuts out a lot of things too, I think.

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@Napoleon: Yeah. We even used to have a thread about it until it was closed for too much complaining. Sad.

At least we are not the UK. Now THAT's a Moral Guardian haven.

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The world has to have gotten more prudish.

Was it always like this? Were they cutting out anything slightly dodgy in CN's 90s cartoons?

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."

It's nothing new. They banned a couple episodes of Dexter's Laboratory, Powerpuff Girls, and Cow and Chicken for (in order) gay stereotypes, alleged communist messages, and lesbian stereotypes.

The world hasn't suddenly become more prudish and offended by things, it's always been like this.

edited 17th Dec '16 3:57:31 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Then why did South Park do a season-long arc saying that PC is "back and bigger than ever". Is it because that it was young people who are embracing it rather than shunning it?

It usually goes back and forth.

Generally, there's this bouncing backlash effect where societies tend to realize some things are un-PC, at which point they tend to try and reject them, while pretending to be more open about other things. Over time, those views will sometimes slowly switch back to the way they were, and so forth.

For instance, theatrical cartoons in The Golden Age Of Animation could be both more shameless and yet less crude than today's TV animation.

I fail to see how South Park has anything to do with this.

Either way, I'd hardly say South Park are infallible about it. Their main goal is to exaggerate things for comedy.

edited 17th Dec '16 5:27:44 PM by AdricDePsycho

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There's nothing wrong with political correctness anyway. The fact that it's become a dirty word is proof of the fascist virus leaking through the tubes of the internet.

You can see the difference, too. The Moral Guardians fought against the Cow and Chicken episode "Buffalo Gals" successfully, but Jeff on Clarence Has Two Mommies and nobody's been able to stop it. Bury Your Gays is politically incorrect. Camp Gay is debatable, since folks like the Silver Spooner or the eponymous Buffalo Gals were definitely parodies of homosexuality, but was the intent merely to mock those who were gay, or to subversively expose children to LGBT culture that the censors still deemed inappropriate? The Camp Gay trope's role in the LGBT movement will be long debated i think. Now, in our post-Obergefell world, it's harder to say it's anything but derisive and anti-gay, but it can still be used in the proper context (namely if the Camper is portrayed positively, or is in a work that otherwise portrays LGBT positively).

The politically correct of today is tomorrow's politically incorrect, and viceversa. Not too long ago, supporting gay rights would have been the politically incorrect thing to do.

'Politically correct' is at its core a neutral term- you've got to remember you're using the term 'correct' but attached to 'political', and politics can be ethically right or wrong depending on who are handling them and who are they being aimed to at the time.

It might be a cultural thing, but in the US "politically correct" is code for "i can't be bigoted anymore without getting called out for it and that makes me feel oppressed."

No, that's just a corruption of the term's meaning.

Political correction, as any other tool of social control, is a double edged sword— it's necessary to hold people to some standards, but those standards, as anything else, can be manipulated by anyone's agenda or simply taken too far. As with anything in the context of a social structure, keeping an eye on the balance between both undesired extremes is something that must be done constantly.

We know the exact reason behind making "Buffalo Gals" - the writers on Cow And Chicken wanted to see how much lesbian innuendo they could get away with in one cartoon. (David Feiss has admitted that he wouldn't have done it today.)

And it was banned from the airwaves, not because there were millions of protests, but because someone sent one letter complaining. One letter and it was gone forever - and I can't help wonder if the "Barbequor" episode of Dial M for Monkey was banned around the same time for the same reasons.

edited 18th Dec '16 11:19:33 AM by Aldo930

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