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And that's supposed to be good how?
The Mod with the Migraine
It's good for the copyright holders, because then no one can be stealing their product through torrents.
Problem is, it depends on where people live. Not everyone lives in America.
The Mod with the Migraine
Virtually all of the copyright holding corporations do, and their opinion is what really matters.note
No 'Humor Mode' about it, Corporate America is the literal devil.
Especially since this basically will say FU to every court system in the world, even the US's. This will allow any corporation to order the destruction of any server without going through local courts without any kind of proof or anything.
This thing will be the end of free use and very likely this website and the rest of the wikis. All hail the corporate overlords who will now own your ass completely.
edited 6th Feb '16 3:38:02 PM by Memers
Anka Aquila
I hate to think that we are approaching a Cyberpunk future.
I do have hopes that some countries won't be stupid enough to ratify this treaty.
edited 6th Feb '16 6:47:43 PM by raziel365
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
There are many copyright holding corporations in the UK and Japan, aren't there? And there are media multinationals from places you wouldn't expect. For example, German company Bertelsmann
controls Penguin Random House.
Could you please explain exactly where this comes from (source)? That would be extraordinary. And bad.
I think I goofed when I said "without due process," now that I've looked at 18.12(b) again. If your jurisdiction does not have a law already on the books regarding destruction of material used to infringe copyrights, then the TPP bypasses the legislative process and either forces your lawmakers to create a law mandating it or your judiciary to enforce a punishment described in an extralegal agreement.
(a) at least with respect to pirated copyright goods and counterfeit trademark goods, its judicial authorities have the authority, at the right holder’s request, to order that the infringing goods be destroyed, except in exceptional circumstances, without compensation of any sort;
(b) its judicial authorities have the authority to order that materials and implements that have been used in the manufacture or creation of the infringing goods be, without undue delay and without compensation of any sort, destroyed or disposed of outside the channels of commerce in such a manner as to minimise the risk of further infringement; and
(c) in regard to counterfeit trademark goods, the simple removal of the trademark unlawfully affixed is not sufficient, other than in exceptional circumstances, to permit the release of goods into the channels of commerce.
Source is the text of the TPP itself.
edited 6th Feb '16 8:08:46 PM by DarkSoldier
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Thanks. It sounds like 18.12(b) is saying that the hardware would be destroyed following an adverse finding in a court law, not following a mere accusation. So yeah, still due process at least.
edited 6th Feb '16 9:08:21 PM by editerguy
The problem with 18.12b) is the fact that non-infringing data will be destroyed as well. It's just like how Samsung got hit with loses when their data stored in Hotfile's servers were taken down along with the website.
edited 6th Feb '16 9:37:39 PM by murazrai
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
It couldn't violate due process. While treaties can supersede US law, they are not primal over the Constitution, otherwise it would be too easy for governments to get around any part of the constitution they don't like by having another government sign onto it and calling it a "treaty," like fears on the part of gun-enthusiasts that a Dem administration could use a UN treaty as a pretext for gun-grabbing.
Also part of the reason why SOPA probably wouldn't have withstood court tests, as it had operated under the same presumption-of-guilt setup.
Apparently EFF and some other groups started an AMA on reddit a few hours ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/453zzk/what_tpp_means_for_you_and_how_we_can_stop_it_we/
TTIP: A locked room, no internet access, two hours, 300 pages and lots of typos
Honestly, even I wouldn't trust politicians with ANY information besides what is needed to make simple decisions based on a "yes" or "no" axis. Still, bizzarely strict.
edited 11th Feb '16 7:51:20 AM by TerminusEst
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I see these folks evidently have absolutely no ability to accept criticism at all. Otherwise they'd fix the typos and cut back on the secrecy.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I doubt the secrecy has anything to do with criticism, secrecy is an extremely important part of any trade deal. Usually not to this degree though. And if her hypothesis is true (the typos being unique to the reader to track possible leaks) that's a whole different level of paranoia. The negotiators have almost certainly heard all the complaints, but have long since abandoned any hope of reasoning with the public.
It's all about the different players now.
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Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
The secrecy is definitely needed, but it certainly smacks of elitism when this thing is hugely unpopular with the people and only popular with certain elites along with the political class. It's the basest form of "we know what's best" patronizing style.
Which is fine, if you have a reasonable belief in policy that the benefits of this will outweigh the fact that people don't want it, but the data doesn't support that with TPP.
Everybody's dead, Dave.
Just found this image in my hard drive.
That's some guy I met in 2014 at one of the earlier protests. He was rather quiet but I could tell he hated that legislation as much as I do. He wouldn't tell me his real name, and he just referred to himself as "Shoes Man". Some people were laughing at him. Poking fun or trying to get a fright. Other people were wondering why a strange black morph suit with a dude inside was walking into Auckland.
I haven't seen him since.
H.B. Ward
Everybody's dead, Dave.
Here's a good article. It's really good to see that people are waking up to the issue.
As to whether awareness will actually save us from the Big Bad Ensemble in the long run, well, let's just say I'm rarely an optimistic person.
H.B. Ward
TTIP: Big business and US to have major say in EU trade deals, leak reveals
As if Europe needs to suck the US's **** even more...
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Everybody's dead, Dave.
I was waiting so anxiously on a good candidate to win, but now I think some asshole is gonna get Xanatosed instead.
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So very much yes. Today, an IP holder has to get a court order to seize hardware suspected of being used for file-sharing and if the accusation is false, the hardware is returned (along with whatever monitoring software your local constabulatory put there to find out your porn preferences). Under TPP, an IP holder can get hardware destroyed on the accusation of file-sharing, completely bypassing due process, presumption of innocence, and a fair trial.
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