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While it doesn't really change the stakes in the same way Avengers 1 or especially Winter Soldier did (at least on its own - Tony's obsessions are a clear entryway to Civil War), yeah. Lots of damage.

Ultron spent a great deal of the plot doing all sorts of unknown hijinks offscreen, which is a blank check for any of the shows to do anything they want with the concept.

And since even without Theta Protocol apparently being the things Fury made use of in the climax or perhaps Caps new base, Ultron's actions don't exactly do much to give superhumans a good name in the eyes of the public, it'd probably give Gonzales all sorts of incentive to do the stupid shit he seems to be on the fasttrack to do in AOS.

edited 2nd May '15 9:06:22 PM by KnownUnknown

Also a Sokovian refugee plot line seems likely.

Ultron spoilers!

I would say that unless you live in Sokovia, the events of Age of Ultron aren't going to have an immediate impact on day-to-day life. In the case of the Netflix series, at most there might be some Sokovian refugees who end up in New York City considering that most of what was presumably their capital city was obliterated, but beyond that not much.

Come to think of it though, the only real impact the movies have had on society as a whole is that people are much more accepting of crazy stuff. Which is why in Daredevil no one is really phased by the knowledge that there is a masked dude running around Hell's Kitchen beating the stuffing out of criminals. The events of Winter Soldier for example may of had an enormous impact on SHIELD, but to the average joe on the street nothing really changed. They still went into work the next morning and paid the same taxes to the same government.

I dunno. The events of the winter soldier being real events that are on public record would get *me* to start voting for people that are currently.. pretty darn far from office. Like people wanting to shut down the "intelligence" services. I don't think I would be alone in going "And now, for a bracing round of radical transparency in government". Which should have really weird knock on effects. Heck. The arc reactor alone really ought to render the world nearly unrecognizable. The MCU looks very familiar on a surface level, but this may just be an illusion caused by the fact that buildings change very slowly, even when the entire structure of society changes.

edited 4th May '15 9:49:24 AM by Izeinsummer

Honestly, I would take a good look on the list of the Hydra targets and then vote for them. Because chances are that those are the non-corrupt guys.

Yeah, I imagine the sitting president got a bit of a popularity boost just by being on that list.

Imagine a presidential debate where both candidates tried to claim that HYDRA wanted them more dead than the other.

An article about the treatment of asians in Daredevil.

While I admit there are points about Nobu, I think Gao simply suffers from the fact that she is most likely in all actuality an Iron First Character making an Early-Bird Cameo in DD.

Not defending it, just saying there is context to her whole deal and the fact that DD is *not* an Stand-alone series may be hurting it, because those context will only be provided in another series.

That being said, a point can also be made that forcing in that context just to explain it now might hamper the narrative flow.

Either way, the Unfortunate Implications are there and should be addressed and fixed upon going further.

I'm not a big guy.

Tom Hardy can play the Punisher. He just needs to survive this casting:

Marvel: "Okay, Tom. We have successfully trapped you into this cage. See the polar bear? Punch it. if you do it, you have the job."◊

edited 5th May '15 1:24:45 PM by 3of4

Poor bear.

It'd be interesting for Punisher to be a recurring Anti-Villain on of the street level shows, probably Daredevil so the writers can contrast Frank with Matt.

edited 5th May '15 1:59:03 PM by KnownUnknown

Maybe with Luke Cage, given that to Luke Bullets are less of an issue?

Agreed. Iron Fist in particular needs to be very careful about how they go about this.

Eh, I think with DD Marvels Netflix Division has gotten enough overall credit for me to trust them. After all, that's probably the advantage of the series being spaced out a bit, to process feedback and so.

About that. Any word on how they are going to be handling Jessica Jones and Luke Cage's superpowers in the show? The Netflix shows are supposed to be a bit more subdued in terms of superpowers, but both of those characters have much more overt superpowers then Daredevil does.

Daredevil might have super-senses (other then vision of course), but if you shoot him with a gun he'll still get hurt badly if not killed. Luke Cage on other hand is explicitly bulletproof, so shoot him with a gun and you will only annoy him.

edited 5th May '15 2:16:54 PM by Falrinn

Jessica Jones is a basic Flying Brick, which isn't unreasonably expensive. Strength and durability are pretty much the classic Coconut Superpowers.

Iron Fist is the harder one. His powers are supposed to involve lots of glowing. That's still not too expensive, it's just hard to do well instead of it looking cheesy.

I do hope they cast an Asian actor to play Danny Rand. I know the character is white, but still, it's kind of...problematic.

And it would make the Defenders more diverse: white male (Daredevil), white female (Jessica Jones), African-American male (Luke Cage), and Asian-American male (Iron Fist).

Iron Fist is case of doomed if they do and doomed if they don't. If Iron Fist is white, it's a case of Mighty Whitey, if Iron Fist is Asian, it's a case of All Asians Know Martial Arts.

I made the argument to friends before that an Asian Character as Danny Rand changes the entire Story of Iron Fist.

Iron Fist is in itself an appreciation of Asian Culture and to that end, Danny Rand being non-Asian is important. Making him Asian is just one Asian doing, as said, Kung Fu because that's what Asians 'do'. Making him Asian, to me, steals the elements of someone from outside of the culture coming to appreciate it. I am not saying a "return to your cultural roots" story is bad, I am just saying it is a 'different' story

My general argument to that case has been to *not* Race Lift him has Asian but to either keep him as Caucasian (Option A) or the far less likely (because Execs are idiots so often) Option B possibility of Race Lift ing him into another minority. Latino-Danny Rand? Middle-East Danny Rand? I can see that, I can see the potential in there. Its having non-Caucasian representation while keeping what I consider the core of the Iron Fist Story.

Moreover: Race Lift ing as Asian feels...lazy to me. Knee-Jerk. "Iron Fist does Kung Fu, so he must be Asian". It feels like paying lip-service, like checking a form. For the very same reasons I consider a Biracial (half-asian, half caucasian) Danny Rand to be a form of cop-out. At worst it will be the worst of both Mighty Whitey and All Asians Know Kung Fu, at best it will be a Caucasian in all but genetics.

In the end, we will most likely get a Caucasian Danny Rand. That does not automatically make it a Mighty Whitey story. How Danny becomes the Iron Fist, how he deals with assimilating into an culture that is not inherently is will decide this. As in so many things, the crux is in the execution.

We will most likely get Option A, and I can live with that provided they tread carefully and with quality.

But until the Actor is confirmed I do kinda hope for Option B.

edited 5th May '15 3:31:56 PM by 3of4

I still think they should make Iron Fist anything but white or Asian. If he's white he's a Mighty Whitey. If he's Asian he's a stereotype. This avoids both problems.

edited 5th May '15 3:47:26 PM by Kostya

And I agree. Like I said, the best solution would be to have Danny Rand be Non-White and Non-Asian.

Pragmatism however says that this is unlikely and we get White Danny Rand.

...*shrugs* Accept the worse outcome and you can only be positively surprised?

If they want they could make him Indian or something. Marvel doesn't have a lot of heroes from that part of the world.

I still think making him white would be more problematic than making him Asian, though. Mighty Whitey is an insidious trope — it appears even if otherwise great books or shows.

Just look at Daenerys's storyline on Game of Thrones for the past few seasons.