Needs Help: Weasel Words get usage counts
Deadlock Clock: 31st Oct 2013 11:59:00 PM

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This trope isn't really clear what it wants to be. Is it a trope about an advertising trick? Is it an administrivia page about something not to do on the wiki? And the fact that it's mildly self-demonstrating isn't helping.

We just need to decide what this page is and stick with it. Right now, it's too confusing for new tropers.
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Right now, it doesn't look like it is even describing weasel words. Instead, its describing how other people use it. That's more like, "and don't just take my word for it!". The Administrivia entry is clearly on Examples Are Not Arguable, though.

There are non-advertising examples of weasel words, but right now this is an index of advertising tropes that might use ww....? Page is unusable, and needs writing from the ground up.
3 SeptimusHeap14th Sep 2013 08:33:18 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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Weasel Words are storytelling devices, specifically words that are much more vague than they seem at first.

The policy page is Examples Are Not Arguable.
4 Rethkir14th Sep 2013 08:55:16 AM from the gap between dimensions
This seems more like a sub-index of Advertising Tropes.
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5 SeptimusHeap14th Sep 2013 08:56:42 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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Weasel Words is a valid Rhetoric Trope. These items would be subtropes of it.
6 AnotherDuck14th Sep 2013 05:41:54 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
So, a trope about vague words has a vague description?

From what I understand of the off-wiki use of the term, it's about words or phrases that imply more than they actually mean. Taken at face value, they don't say much at all, or are just not impressive. However, the way they're used imply there's substance to them, that they mean something.

Up To Or More is a good one. Part of this complete breakfast should perhaps be there as well. The "anonymous authority" definition found on The Other Wiki is basically about that saying, "Some people claim..." can basically amount to "Me and my friend claim..." which is useless.
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Yeah, this is one case where going self-demonstrating all the way will be self-defeating. But the main trouble with the article is that it's boring.

That said, weasel words are all about the usage. Some (a favourite weasel word!) words can act as both a weasel word or not, depending on context.

Eg:

We must approach this problem in an appropriate manner (weasel usage, gives no hint on what is considered appropriate)

The appropriate way to fix this trope is via the Trope Repair Shop.
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Duck gave a much better definition here than what's currently on the page. The first paragraph at least can be replaced by that.
9 SeptimusHeap15th Sep 2013 06:54:37 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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Yeah, I agree with that as well. Switch.
10 AnotherDuck15th Sep 2013 08:37:10 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Took a stab at it. That better?
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Could we just... not have Death anymore?
The first half actually does the job it needs to, now. Not happy with the rest of it.

We do agree that Weasel Words are a trope in their own right, not just an advertising method, correct?

edited 15th Sep '13 9:04:06 AM by crazysamaritan

12 SeptimusHeap15th Sep 2013 09:04:47 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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"Advertising method" is already included in "trope".
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
14 SeptimusHeap25th Sep 2013 08:59:51 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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The new description is better. Anything else that ought to be fixed?
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Maybe. My question was never answered. You only stated the warrant I was using. No one else has posted since.
16 SeptimusHeap25th Sep 2013 01:39:37 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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I did answer it in @12, and you seemed to agree in @13.
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
No, that was my warrant. An advertising method must be a trope. That's not something that needs to be said. Do we want to expand the use of Weasel Words outside of advertising methods? Because it fits with several Truth and Lies tropes, and characters can use it in a story, not just product placement.

Or, do we want to change the definition slightly to restrict this to an index of advertising tropes only?
18 SeptimusHeap28th Sep 2013 02:41:57 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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I could see an expansion.
19 m8e28th Sep 2013 03:30:54 AM from Sweden , Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
It's a "Rhetorical technique" so I think it's a general trope just as the Truth and Lies, Logical Fallacies, or the Social Engineering tropes.

edited 28th Sep '13 3:31:54 AM by m8e

20 SeptimusHeap28th Sep 2013 03:52:03 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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We don't have an index of these, do we?
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Not that I know of, which is why I was asking if we could expand this. smile
22 Willbyr28th Oct 2013 06:51:41 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Clock is set.
So should we do a crowner to see what this should be repurposed as?
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Why should this trope be repurposed? It is working fine. I think the definition could be expanded, but that isn't creating a new purpose.
25 SeptimusHeap1st Nov 2013 12:52:44 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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The clock is up; if we want to discuss broadening it, I'd need some example of this trope being used outside of advertising/rhetoric.

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