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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#11151: Jul 10th 2014 at 7:58:09 PM

Please don't insult Kotaro. He was a cool guy eh. Besides, he's more like Kaito anyway.

My point exactly is this isn't a cyberpunk setting yet, in that such tech doesn't seem that widely available at this point. I can't buy Tsukuyomi having access to it without a sponsor (most likely Fate due to reasons we'll probably never learn).

By herself and without someone backing her, an unscrupolous doctor (and one acting in the underground should damn well know the kind of patients they'll be getting) is just as likely as to leave her die in the operation table after an advance payment.

[up]Yes, okay, Tsukuyomi was a financial ace or whatever makes you happy. She was a merc, plain and simple, and one that was far from being the most professional one as her obsession made her behavior deteriorate. Such types promptly fall from grace in sane settings, but this is fucking UQ Holder, which runs on nonsensoleum, so whatever. That was what the story itself showed, but if you feel happier working backwards from a conclusion you already gave yourself, go for it and more power to you.

As for what would she be wanted for, she's perhaps the remaining member of KE with the best grounds for a sentence on attempted murder and conspiracy, especially since at least Fate and his girls would cooperate with the authorities and get a parole. There's no reason at all to parole Tsukuyomi. And I'm quite sure she must have several charges on murder on Earth. Reps as mercs don't come by themselves. I'm sure the Aoyamas would also want to have words with her about that stolen sword.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:12:31 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#11152: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:11:24 PM

Generally speaking psychopaths whose mental state has been deteriorating (No clue if she actually got better or not) don't normally turn out too well, lucrative jobs or not. It is possible (And far more likely) that someone sponsored her, But as NDC said, her reputation isn't exactly stellar given she's tried to kill her employer once before for petty reasons.

Fate totally would, despite her trying to kill him once. He's a pragmatic dumbass after all that has the zero to no foresight.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:12:52 PM by SkormSnow-Strider

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#11153: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:12:13 PM

NDC: That one guy in Strong Hand had basically fully cyberized himself. And even though she was ridiculously goddamn crazy, she was also one of the strongest people in the world, meaning any contracts that she took on would have been very pricy.

Chaosjunction Since: Feb, 2010
#11154: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:12:49 PM

Please don't insult Kotaro. He was a cool guy eh

He actually is quite a bit like Kotaro though.

My point exactly is this isn't a cyberpunk setting yet, in that such tech doesn't seem that widely available at this point. I can't buy Tsukuyomi having access to it without a sponsor (most likely Fate due to reasons we'll probably never learn).

A low rung mercenary from a PMSC managed to get half cyberized, clearly it's not totally super exclusive.

[up]Yes, okay, Tsukuyomi was a financial ace or whatever makes you happy.

You sure do like putting words in people's mouths, don't you?

All I ever said was that she had the same ability to handle money as anyone else, i.e., collect money on payday, put it in bank account, etc. I like how you ignored the perfectly sensible suggestion that she could have hired somebody to do all that stuff for her.

How do you surmise she managed to live anyway? Killing people can't feed you, you know.

She was a merc, plain and simple, and one that was far from being the most professional one as her obsession made her behavior deteriorate.

Except for her obsession with Setsuna, she did her job properly though.

Such types promptly fall from grace in sane settings, but this fucking UQ Holder, which runs on nonsensoleum, so whatever

Really? You need to read some more works dude. Types like Tsukiyomi are normally resilient as cockroaches.

That was what the story itself showed

Except it didn't.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:15:05 PM by Chaosjunction

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#11155: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:14:31 PM

"All I ever said was that she had the same ability to handle money as anyone else, i.e., collect money on payday, put it in bank account, etc"

You'd be surprised about the number of people that can barely manage something as simple as that. No lie.

"Killing people can't feed you, you know."

Not with that attitude it won't!

That one guy in Strong Hand had basically fully cyberized himself.

Was he with Strong Hand? I thought they were called in the moment he got smashed to a million itty bitty pieces. I had him pegged for a private contractor, he certainly was out of his element in dealing with immortals.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:18:30 PM by SkormSnow-Strider

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#11156: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:15:11 PM

Strong Hand is quite above the norm. We're talking about specialized immortal killers, and that's as elite as they come (and other than Chao, they were far more professional and reliable than Yomi).

Except for her obsession with Setsuna, she did her job properly though.

"I think I'll try to kill you out just because, Fate-han! Tee hee! Ooooh, I cut your hand off!"

Types like Tsukiyomi are normally resilient as cockroaches.

Only when Joker Immunity, which is basically Plot Armor induced from beyond the Fourth Wall, kicks in.

Except it didn't.

Yes it did. Compare Kyoto Tsukuyomi (playful and twisted, but still mostly Affably Evil and collected) with End of Mundus Magicus Tsukuyomi (complete psycho with mass murdering priorities over the job itself) and you'll see she definitely gets worse.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:19:42 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Chaosjunction Since: Feb, 2010
#11157: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:17:51 PM

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That's very, very true ( I actually know people like this), but since we see her looking well fed, as if she can afford to eat, and not starving and she's wore a bunch of nice frilly clothes, which cost money, I'll assume she can do that much.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:19:11 PM by Chaosjunction

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#11158: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:17:51 PM

And Tsukuyomi wasn't an elite mercenary? She was probably stronger than Mana and Mana just taking odd jobs was able to afford some pretty damn expensive equipment. She didn't even use most of her paycheck on equipment, either, but donated it.

I see no reason why Tsukuyomi could not have afforded to cyberize herself if she saved up for it. What else is she going to spend money on?

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#11159: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:20:05 PM

The corpses of Ala Alba. Fate auctioned them off when he finally rid them from his precious Negi.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#11160: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:22:30 PM

Even being freaking strong means little when people starts doubting you for the jobs. And at the end of Negima, the sole targets we see that would require someone on Yomi's level or above to kill are Ala Alba and Rubra, most of whom could kick her ass anyway. For pretty much everything else, you'd probably be better off hiring someone cheaper and more reliable for basically the same end result.

Chaosjunction Since: Feb, 2010
#11161: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:23:31 PM

Strong Hand is quite above the norm. We're talking about specialized immortal killers, and that's as elite as they come (and other than Chao, they were far more professional and reliable than Yomi).

Demolition Man wasn't an immortal killer, he was just some low level idiot that got sent on grunt work. The fact that they bothered to cyberize him shows the procedure isn't a big deal.

"I think I'll try to kill you out just because, Fate-han! Tee hee! Ooooh, I cut your hand off!"

I see you're ignoring the part where she was trying to ascertain Fate's mental state, which since he's her boss, is important to her.

Only when Joker Immunity, which is basically Plot Armor induced from beyond the Fourth Wall, kicks in.

Nothing to do with Joker Immunity, people like her know how to live to fight another day.

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#11162: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:23:37 PM

It wasn't called Vampire:The Angsting for nothing. There is enough wrong already. No need to pick on the stuff it did right.
I wasn't picking on it (Requiem has vampires that can kill you with Insult Swordfighting, you'll see no complaints about from me), I was offering an example of a thing where vampire protagonists can't daywalk.

On that note, does anyone remember if Seras Victoria was hurt by the sun? I know Alucard could tank it, because Alucard would not in fact die even if you killed him, but I can't remember about her.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:23:57 PM by rikalous

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#11163: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:25:19 PM

NDC: Assuming Fate told anyone about Tsukuyomi attacking him at one point. She never attacked Chigusa, did she? And Fate obviously didn't care if he hired her again.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#11164: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:26:59 PM

I see you're ignoring the part where she was trying to ascertain Fate's mental state, which since he's her boss, is important to her.

The way I saw it, that was basically her excuse to do so. Considering it's consistent with her Blood Knight tendencies seen everywhere else...

She never attacked Chigusa, did she?

I have said before, right in this very page, she wasn't as bad around the time of Kyoto.

The fact that they bothered to cyberize him shows the procedure isn't a big deal.

So you're basically saying it's more likely for a merc to be cyberized under a sponsor or boss' patronage than under their own money. (DM obviously was even less likely than Tsukuyomi to amass that much money on his own).

edited 10th Jul '14 8:29:54 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#11165: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:32:21 PM

It's not about how good or bad she is, it's a matter of what her reputation is like. If she cooled off after losing to Setsuna then quite likely no one would ever know she was that crazy.

Besides, for all we know Tsukuyomi only got fully cyberized last week. She's had a long time to do it. Why are we making a big deal out of this?

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#11166: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:33:41 PM

IIRC, Tsukiyomi arguably grew worse as time when on, even within the MM arc itself. How much this was attributed to Hina's presence is another matter. I can't imagine her actually getting better, but who knows.

Demolition Man wasn't an immortal killer, he was just some low level idiot that got sent on grunt work. The fact that they bothered to cyberize him shows the procedure isn't a big deal.

I don't know, this guys entire M.O. seemed to be throwing money at all of his problems via high grade weaponry. He listed the flubbing price of all of his special doodads, so money for him probably was either no objective, or his rich employers supplied everything. Plus, they knew they were dealing with immortals and probably spared no expense to that end, they just highly underestimated what being immortal means in this world.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#11167: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:34:49 PM

[up][up]It sort of snowballed?

Can we go back to discussing Eva's fashion sense? Because we're running in circles here now. Or perhaps how apparently the spaceport, the most important place in the world, doesn't have any security measures for when people starts duking it out inside? I mean, I know you aren't doing shit against Fate, but at least try something, anything, people.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:36:57 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#11168: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:37:31 PM

The lack of any guards is much weirder, yeah. Even the gateport had guards and it was nowhere near as critical and expensive.

Edit: Maybe Fate is the guard normally? Or Ala Alba.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:38:01 PM by Arha

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#11169: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:37:33 PM

I think Eva's dress is an intimidation measure. Like Jayne's cunning hat, it makes it clear that anyone willing to wear it in public fears nothing.

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#11170: Jul 10th 2014 at 8:38:09 PM

Actually, I have a feeling that Fate/the Ala Alba contractors are in fact the security.

EDIT: Well, at least magic is back. The cutback in Greek/Latin chanting is sad, but I'll take it over magic apps. So...next immortal to be introduced? I'm calling either game-guy or that other women that was with Jinbei in the "Explain different immortals" Not!Eva was talking about.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:55:25 PM by SkormSnow-Strider

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#11171: Jul 10th 2014 at 9:16:42 PM

I think Tsukuyomi got cyberized sometime after joining Ala Alba. There she would have access to the resources necessary. Whether she joined under Negi or Fate is unknown at this point of course. This is shonen. Worse villains have been redeemed I think. If Negi and Setsuna think she's okay, they'll let her in. Maybe not for good reasons, but that ship sailed long ago. If Fate brought her in, then maybe he wanted extra muscle or something. Also maybe not for good reasons, but the fact that she's working for not as evil Fate indicates she's controlling herself better. Maybe.

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#11172: Jul 10th 2014 at 11:15:52 PM

Didn't the fight more or less start with Fate being shot by an orbital death ray and blocking it? I'm gonna assume that the guards saw that...and wern't stupid. Considering Fate has his rep as "strongest mage in the solar system" he might even be easily recognizable.

Night The future of warfare in UC. from Jaburo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#11173: Jul 11th 2014 at 1:05:34 AM

Karin has a divine blessing that prevents her from dying, I think the usual rules don't apply to her.

Says nothing about pain or knock-on effects like your body shutting down. Suffocation is not a pleasant experience. You don't just drift off when the air disappears. It hurts, your muscles burn, you lose your peripheral vision and black out slowly. You will panic, even if it can't hurt you, because your body and brain are wired to panic when you have no oxygen.

Being on the Moon unprotected would be an excruciating experience even if you didn't black out.

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#11174: Jul 11th 2014 at 2:10:13 AM

RE vampires and sunlight: Daywalking Vampire has its own page with a good bunch of examples. I'm still looking for jaywalker vampires, though.

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SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#11175: Jul 11th 2014 at 10:31:24 AM

So...spoilers, complete with a 3-A cameo...WITH NO FACES YET AGAIN.

Oh, and Negi is of course, fucking alive and needs to be saved which is why Fate needs Touta. Of fucking course. Oh, and Fate killed Touta's parents. Oh, and Fate of course dances around the question if Negi ever actually wound up with anyone. "I'll answer all of your questions...cep't that one."

...More backstory then I thought it would be, but...eh. Its lukewarm to me for the moment.

edited 11th Jul '14 10:38:47 AM by SkormSnow-Strider


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