Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Everything Wrong With

Oh yeah.

I just figured everyone said "Cinema Sins."

I figured that so in the other post I said Cinema Sins.

Some of their videos just put EWW before saying the title of the movie.

I figured to use EWW instead of Cinema Sins because they don't just do "Everything Wrong With" on the Cinema Sins channel; they also have What's the Damage? and Movie Recipes.

Just like Honest Trailers isn't the only thing Screen Junkies uploads.

edited 4th May '16 8:36:10 AM by Halberdier17

Now I get what you mean. In my defense, Honest Trailers and Everything Wrong With are the only works of theirs I watch.

"What's the Damage?" is good they do something like Everything Wrong With but add up the cost of everything that gets destroyed in the movie using prices from the year the movie was made. Christmas Vacation and Ghostbusters were good episodes of What's the Damage.

They should do What's the Damage for all the superhero films!

Dan Olson on underground film festivals, film-watching context, and Batman v. Superman as 'the last important superhero film'.

This isn't really a review of the movie, so much as it is a comparison of it to the indie scene and similarities in seeking to create yet find an audience.

edited 4th May '16 3:26:00 PM by Tuckerscreator

Fun fact, despite making less at the box office, Deadpool, having cost less than a fourth of this movie, had a bigger net profit by exactly 100 million dollars.

Deadpool's success was making a superhero movie on a low budget.

And managed to do so well despite being Banned in China.

Honestly the movie's plot was wafer thin, and aside from Deadpool so were the characters we spent the most time with. The jokes were pretty much what the entire movie was.

Although the ,'A man is not a hero' speech at the end was pretty good.

Actually, I'd say that the characters are the strength of the film and the plot being so thin helps it along and makes it so it's not convoluted at all. Deadpool, Vanessa, Colossus, even Negasonic Teenage Warhead all get really solid characterization.

Deadpool yes. Vanessa is a pretty stock girlfriend character and Collosus and Nega are glorified bit characters.

They're still pretty good for the time allotted. And while being described with one-off tropes in the titles, no less.

Speaking of which, I wonder how that would've worked in DOJ. Or, for that matter, how Honest Trailers would do its usual roundup.

Starring:

A mopey religious metaphor.

A gritty toy commercial.

A first act damsel in distress.

A third act damsel in distress.

The Joker's nerdy rich cousin, now in cherry flavor.

The only actor allowed to actually act.

Female Wolverine.

Spiky Abomination.

An incomprehensible cameo.

Dances with woodchopping.

A tacked-on future film reference.

The same, but now in token black.

And:

Morpheus.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of a Franchise

edited 4th May '16 10:18:36 PM by indiana404

Not saying they're bad just saying there's not much depth to them.

Ah, but Winter Soldier on the other hand

What about Winter Soldier? No one mentioned it and it has nothing to do with either Deadpool or the movie this thread is actually about.

Deadpool's strength was continually taking the piss out of itself (and superhero movies generally). Few if any other superhero movies could get away with that degree of satire and fourth-wall-breaking ("it's almost like the studio couldn't afford more than two X-Men"), because it wouldn't suit the characters, but it suits Deadpool. The movie isn't any kind of masterpiece, but it's entertaining to watch, although the cliche plot rather holds it down.

Winter Soldier, on the other hand, is relevant because it shows that making a thoughtful, topical superhero movie doesn't require heavy-handed religious symbolism and general pretentiousness, and that a straightforwardly good character doesn't need to be an uninteresting character.

edited 5th May '16 5:19:36 AM by Galadriel

Squirell Girl and She Hulk are pretty 4th wall dependant aren't they?

Though She Hulk is kinda more "rooted" to regular comic awareness.

Worth noting that they do compromise on him at least a little. Comic Cap has a strict no killing code, at least after the war but this ones pretty cool with it.

Ambush Bug if you want one from DC. Though they might have to include subtitles because in one story Ambush Bug said he doesn't hear what the characters are saying he has to read the text bubbles.

He even asked Zatanna why the words in her speech bubble was backwards.

Gods above i hope we never get a Squirrel Girl movie. She's a gag character, I don't get how she's sustaining a book let alone a film.

Yeah, there's totally no merit whatsoever in being lighthearted and fun, as opposed to gritty and angsty. And the universal popularity of MOS and DOJ only confirms it.

By the way, Punisher-style executions aside, since when has a soldier/law enforcer killing enemy combatants and armed criminals, in the line of duty or dire necessity, for the purpose of defending innocents, been put on the ungood list? Unlike the Justice League, the MCU Avengers aren't really vigilantes, especially Cap. There was nothing immoral in him signing up for WWII and fighting Hydra then, and there's nothing immoral in him fighting Hydra now. If anything, since Nazi Germany soldiers are far more likely to be just average Johanns drafted regardless of whether they believe the ideology, modern terrorists are much more acceptable targets.

Squirrel Girl would fit an animated movie better.

Not saying it can't be set in the MCU, but it still should be animated. Much like the Daredevil, SHIELD, Carter and Jessica Jones shows can be set in the cinematic universe despite not being films.

He only stated he didn't see Squirrel Girl heading a movie. he did not say all lighthearted characters can't work.

The MCU Avengers were only a SHIELD team in the first movie. They lost that status after SHIELD collapsed in Winter Soldier. Again, the poster said nothing about Steve killing Nazis during WW 2 just that Steve in the comics had a code against killing outside of WW 2. Remember the Avengers recruited W Olverine because they needed someone who was more willing to get blood on his hands.