Not Tropeworthy (new crowner 8/2/13): Completed Fic

There are plenty of works with unclear endings. Fanfiction is no different, and this page is as useful as a list of completed TV series.

I still don't see why we would list examples on a page like this. Honestly, I don't think we need such a page at all, but fanfics aren't magically special just because they have an ending.

Not a clear ending in that sense. It doesn't matter if the ending makes any logical sense. Generally completed fics are either marked as complete by their owners or end with something like "fin" or "The End."

Ah. I see.

Looks like we have three page action suggestions. Cut, cut examples, and expand as an index of works. I see something about moving the page to Trivia but I'm not exactly sure on what is meant by that. Are we moving examples of Completed Fic to Trivia or giving it the trivia banner? It may be independent of the three other actions.

Cut Short also exists, though. Or Author Existence Failure and probably a few others. Anyway, I guess we do have those three options available to us. Should we run a crowner then?

Normally that would be true, but I can tell you from experience there a horrific amount of abandoned stories on Fan Fiction.Net. A fanfic(especially a long one) making it to full completion a notable thing.

I crowner it, but run it for a few days to make sure it get's seen.

edited 28th Jul '13 9:18:31 PM by shoboni

Classify as Trivia is what the option means.

But it seems to be independent of the other options. It may be like "remove examples and mark as Trivia" or "expand and mark as Trivia". I think the issue of the Trivia bannering could be made on the Long Term Projects thread.

Well, since we discussed it here already, it seems to me like we can just decide it here.

If cutting becomes the most popular action, then it won't be done. But let's go ahead and discuss whether the Trivia banner would be appropriate.

I don't think it needs the Trivia banner because it's something that can be seen in the work. It's evident from a work whether it is finished.

But it's trivia since it's not a trope.

It can be seen in the work itself too. It's not a trope. It's the status of a work. Dead Fic isn't Trivia.

edited 29th Jul '13 3:59:17 AM by MikuruFan

There are several ways in which a page can't be a trope but doesn't have to be Trivia. I would compare it to Cancellation.

True enough, it could e.g. explain and define the term. Theoretically we could have a /Definitions/ namespace for that, but we don't.

I do think it would be fitting to either make it example-less (as with other definition pages) or turn it into a true index. It would be a clearer focus for the page.

Defining terms is what trope pages are all about. And Fan Speak, YMMV and Trivia are included in this definition of "trope".

"A 'Completed Fic' is a fanfiction work that's completed."

That doesn't seem like a very useful reason to have a trope page...

See my above post, when comes to fanfiction something being completed is notable. It also gives users browsing the fanfic part Tvtropes a good place to find fics that are complete and ready to read all the way through.

So you keep saying. Yet by definition this isn't true. any stand alone one installment fic is by definition "Completed". And Making your fanfic browsing experience convenient isn't TV Tropes' function. "Long" fanfictions are not the majority.

Plus, even if I were to accept it's notable - which it isn't - Notable doesn't mean "Self evident term needs to be defined for the english-impaired who don't know what the word completed means".

Plus again, works being cut without a grand finale is not unique to Fanfics. Comic Books, Tv Shows, etc... they can equally be cancelled.

edited 29th Jul '13 10:32:00 AM by CobraPrime

Who argued that that's what's notable means? And no one says a cancelled story is unique to fanfiction.

A fanfic longer than a one-shot being completed is notable.

To lay out my personal position clearly: I completely disagree that completed fanfics are notable enough to warrant a trope. If I lose out on that, I absolutely oppose having any examples. The very idea is, to me, absurd.

Seems like there is complete disagreement in-thread about whether to have this page and its examples, and more discussion will likely not resolve it. I'll ask for a crowner here.

Somebody made this crowner already. It has one more option on it than I'd have put, but that's fine.

edited 29th Jul '13 11:19:43 AM by Arha

That was my crowner.

For the record, I supported to keep the page as it seems to be a fairly established term in fanfic communities.

IMO, that's like saying "published novel" is an accepted book term. It's not a term — it's a descriptive phrase. (Okay, fine, that's a possible way to define "term," but I think my point still gets through.)

Casting it as a "fanfic community term" mis-describes it. Once you know what "fanfic" means, does it really require a lot to go to "completed fanfic"? What else would it be called: "chartreuse fanfic"? "Popcorn fanfic"? "Elephantmustardteddyrooseveltdracula fanfic"?

edited 29th Jul '13 11:55:25 AM by Leaper

Eh, the way it's used sounds more like Cancelled would be used rather than an arbitrary term.