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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#76: Jun 15th 2013 at 12:47:13 AM

That Dave Chappelle example is... odd. I'm not sure the exact context, but it seems at least slightly racist. Did he really think that white people couldn't understand his humour?

Aside from that, I agree that not all jokes are exempt- it is largely based on intent. If you make a joke about how Asians can't drive, and actually believe that, then yeah, that's pretty bad. But that doesn't mean every joke about Asians being unable to drive is bad. That's the part I think people miss.

edited 15th Jun '13 12:48:12 AM by Mukora

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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#77: Jun 15th 2013 at 1:11:34 AM

[up][up] No it isn't. Not that bad comedy is a jailable offence.

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#78: Jun 15th 2013 at 1:31:26 AM

[up][up]I dunno about you, but I've seen plenty of people's reactions to racial humor less often being "Isn't this ridiculous!?", but more often "LOL BLACK PEOPLE" or something along those lines.

It's like how people will sometimes start off a sentence by saying "I'M NOT A RACIST, BUUUUT..." and then go on and prove themselves to be awfully racist.

Sometimes though it can be a thin line between mocking an awful stereotype vs just wallowing in it. I get the intent, but sometimes it can come across as desperately trying to provoke for a cheap laugh is all. I remember reading that part of why Dave Chappelle ended his show was when he saw a white crew member laughing his head off during a taping and wondering if all that guy was getting out of it was Uncle Tomfoolery and not the satire that was intended. So yeah, I get that it's complicated and not everyone has bad intentions but it's worth at least examining. And no, I don't think something being a joke is some sort of magical shield that exempts it from having any consequence or meaning whatsoever, in fact that viewpoint bugs me just as someone who fucking loves comedy!

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#79: Jun 15th 2013 at 2:39:30 AM

Bad comedy should be a jailable offense.

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#80: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:04:42 AM

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Landstander God Of Cake from Somewhere else Since: Jan, 2001
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#81: Jun 15th 2013 at 7:29:41 AM

[up][up]No argument here. Bad drama or bad action at least has the potential to be funny, but bad comedy has nowhere to go but excruciating pain. I will have the heads of Seltzer And Friedberg on a platter yet!

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#82: Jun 15th 2013 at 7:40:29 AM

TRIGGER WARNING: Disaster Movie PTSD flashback.

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#83: Jun 15th 2013 at 7:42:06 AM

Ehh, they ain't usually so bad. One of the worse movies attributed to them was done by someone else imitating them, I think - and tbh Meet The Spartans was Actually Pretty Funny mostly.

edited 15th Jun '13 7:44:09 AM by MrMallard

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#84: Jun 15th 2013 at 8:14:59 AM

Yeah, Meet The Spartans wasn't that bad. But if you ever want to punish somebody, make them watch Disaster Movie. I'm not even kidding.

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wuggles Since: Jul, 2009
#85: Jun 15th 2013 at 8:19:23 AM

Chris Rock had the same problem with his N*ggas vs. Black people sketch, people took it as a reason to be racist (I can vouch from personal experience). Also yeah, I honestly think comedy is harder than drama. That's why I don't get why some critics don't take it seriously.

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#86: Jun 15th 2013 at 12:27:48 PM

This blog just seems to be blowing people's actions out of proportion. Is it necessary to point out every time someone discriminated against any group?

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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#87: Jun 15th 2013 at 4:43:45 PM

That's pretty much the only tool Tumblr has in the war against oppression.

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#88: Jun 17th 2013 at 9:05:08 PM

I wonder what's more racist: Appropriating other cultures or excluding other cultures?

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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#89: Jun 17th 2013 at 9:09:33 PM

It's questions like that that keep me up at night.

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Haldo Indecisive pumpkin from Never never land Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#90: Jun 17th 2013 at 10:19:56 PM

Stereotype jokes can either reinforce stereotypes or deconstruct them. There is a difference.

Edit: Looks like I'm late on pointing that out.

As for censoring "tr**ny", that's because it's a horrible slur.

edited 17th Jun '13 10:24:47 PM by Haldo

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Matues Impossible Gender Forge Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#91: Jun 17th 2013 at 11:37:30 PM

Censoring slurs always strikes me as pointless.

Either people understand what it is anyway, or they get stuck wondering what it is.

I just don't use them at all. :D

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#92: Jun 18th 2013 at 12:37:37 AM

Well, when you're discussing a slur and trying to point out why it's bad to use it, it seems self defeating to censor it. If you act afraid of a word like that, you're giving it way too much power in the context of discussing the word itself.

Plus it looks kind of juvenile to censor words in such a way that you can tell what it is anyhow.

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#93: Jun 18th 2013 at 1:12:18 AM

Typically there are two (three) reasons to censor words in such a way that you can still tell what it is. The first is to get it past a censor that does not allow swearing, so this lets adults know what is being said while kids or incredibly naive people still remain innocent.

However, I'm pretty sure the reason why this blog censors the slur, is because the person using the word is uncomfortable with it. But I don't think that really helps matters at all and is kind of a stupid reason to do it.

(the third reason is a religious reason which doesn't really factor into any of this)

Haldo Indecisive pumpkin from Never never land Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#94: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:06:43 AM

People censor slurs on blogs because if someone is the target of a slur, seeing it written out in full is usually more uncomfortable than seeing it censored. I speak from experience.

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#95: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:10:33 AM

Is it really? I guess I wouldn't know. I haven't seen "kike" written out that often.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#96: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:13:38 AM

If that's true, then why only blank out two letters? Why not just the whole word? It's like, either do the whole thing or don't do it at all.

Haldo Indecisive pumpkin from Never never land Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#97: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:17:32 AM

If you blank out the whole word, readers won't know which slur you're talking about. If you leave it completely uncensored, it'll be ever more uncomfortable for the people who have to deal with that slur than if it were partially censored.

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#98: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:18:36 AM

There's still a problem when people have no idea what you're talking about when you're only censoring two letters.

Solutions... uh... alt text?

edited 18th Jun '13 2:18:57 AM by ohsointocats

Haldo Indecisive pumpkin from Never never land Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#99: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:19:31 AM

That could work.

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#100: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:20:58 AM

I mean it's not a slur that's used often, even if you've heard it before. I don't think I've heard it once in the past 5 years, and before then usually just by ignorant people who didn't really get it was offensive.

Like when you write n****r everyone knows what you're talking about. This is different.


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