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Unclear Description (titles crowner 4/15/14): Spiritual Licensee get usage counts

So Spiritual Licensee is by the creators?

 27 Native Jovian, Sun, 8th Sep '13 12:08:29 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
Based on the examples in each page, I think Spiritual Successor is more like "honorary continuation of a franchise without technically being part of that franchise", while Spiritual Licensee is closer to "honorary adaptation of a work without actually having the license for it".

eg, The Incredibles is a Spiritual Licensee of the Fantastic Four (it's basically a Fantastic Four movie without actually being called that), while Hot Fuzz is the Spiritual Successor to Shaun of the Dead (they're in the same style, share writers and much of the cast, and are overall very similar despite not actually being part of the same franchise).
As I would define it, a Spiritual Successor is made by the same people as the original work, while a Spiritual Licensee rarely is. The basic distinction between the two, however, is pretty much what Native Jovian said.

 29 Native Jovian, Mon, 9th Sep '13 3:14:24 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
I'd say that a Spiritual Successor is frequently by the same people, but not always (while a Spiritual Licensee is rarely by the same people if only because they generally own the IP, so would be able to get the license for it to make an official adaptation).
 30 Willbyr, Thu, 10th Oct '13 6:55:01 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Got a clock request for this one, but I forgot that it was already clocked...oh well, we can give it one more go-round.
 31 Native Jovian, Thu, 10th Oct '13 12:44:26 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
What else do we need to do here? Do we have any consensus on trope definitions? Do we need to put up a crowner?
 32 Larkmarn, Thu, 10th Oct '13 1:11:12 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
We roughly agree on the definition of Spiritual Licensee as a cross-media trope where a work has a similar plot but in a new medium. As such, I say we rename it to Spiritual Adaptation and then hack away the non-examples with a machete.

That's a good title.

 34 shoboni, Thu, 10th Oct '13 4:53:18 PM from Iowa, USA
I agree, the page is full of some pretty cringe-worthy shoe-horning(and I highly doubt The Great Mouse Detective counts because it never hides the fact it's meant to be a Sherlock Holmes movie)
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 35 Larkmarn, Tue, 5th Nov '13 10:49:08 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
 36 Septimus Heap, Fri, 6th Dec '13 1:15:16 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Votes bump! So far, rename is in green by 2-0 aye/nay.

 37 Donaldthe Potholer, Wed, 18th Dec '13 9:05:16 PM from Somewhere in (not)Miami
On the one hand, I don't have any confidence that a rename by itself is going to fix the Trope. (EDIT: Hence, no vote.)

That having been said, comparing this page to Divorced Installment and seeing the several common examples, which are likely the only "verifiable" ones as I wanted to emphasize in a previous post, perhaps it could be fixed with a rename. I'm thinking: Divorced Adaptation.

EDIT: Granted, that restricts the Trope to once-intended-licensees. Then again, if we "knew" that the creators of the would-be-licensee had intended on their work to be based on another to a significant degree, then I'd think the restricted definition covers such examples as well.

edited 18th Dec '13 9:09:27 PM by DonaldthePotholer

[up]Statements of authorial intent can be unreliable, especially in the case where saying one thing risks inviting a Frivolous Lawsuit for copyright infringement.

 39 Donaldthe Potholer, Mon, 13th Jan '14 12:16:51 PM from Somewhere in (not)Miami
Motion to close the Crowner: A 7-0 vote (with one Abstaining) in favor of Renaming is probably about as close to a consensus as we'll get.

As such, there are two names on the Floor: Spiritual Adaptation and Divorced Adaptation.

 40 Septimus Heap, Mon, 13th Jan '14 12:27:04 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
That is really little.

 41 Willbyr, Mon, 13th Jan '14 7:15:21 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
I'm not calling a crowner on this few votes.
 42 Aw Sam Weston, Tue, 21st Jan '14 8:54:08 PM from Minnesota Nice Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Divorced Adaptation makes it sound like there was a fork in Development Hell.

In that case, I vote in favor of renaming — Specifically to Spiritual Adaptation. It's a lot clearer than the other options (Spiritual Licensee or Divorced Adaptation).

 43 Willbyr, Tue, 15th Apr '14 4:00:19 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Calling for the rename.
 44 Willbyr, Tue, 15th Apr '14 6:09:44 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
The alt titles crowner is hooked and the thread title's adjusted to reflect.
 45 Septimus Heap, Fri, 6th Jun '14 3:38:44 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Votes bump; Spiritual Adaptation is the only one in green with 7-0 votes.

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Alternative Titles: Spiritual Licensee
15th Apr '14 5:33:58 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Previous crowner decided to rename this trope.
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