Does Not Illustrate: Race Lift

There are three characters in the Race Lift image, but the top two characters do no show obvious evidence of a Race Lift. They're both light-skinned brunettes, which have been cast as light-skinned brunette actors. Only the third character at the bottom is an obvious example of the trope. I think this causes a bit of confusion, and could be better illustrated with a different image. Maybe a larger version of just the bottom character?

The bottom character (Monk Gyatso) is not as important as the top two (Sokka and Katara), so I wouldn't use him alone. There are some other comparisons out there, like this one◊.

edited 22nd May '13 11:30:33 AM by Rethkir

I think the current's fine. The cartoon kids are clearly several shades darker than the white-as-the-driven-snow actors.

Makes the contrast better, but I don't like the words.

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I'm fine with keeping the current. Unless you have a better image, there is absolutely no reason to pull.

They are not that light skinned. It might be good to see other characters that didn't change so much as a contrast but the current is fine.

You don't think it would be better illustration of the trope to show a character that clearly changes from one race to another than a character who goes from "slightly tan" to "not quite as tan?"

Keep Until Better Image Suggested...the differences look perfectly obvious to me.

The Last Airbender was used because it's a well known and infamous example. It even coined the term "racebending." I can think of a great example from a recent film, but it's a big spoiler. Again, Keep Until Better Image Suggested.

edited 22nd May '13 12:01:52 PM by Rethkir

It's not just "not as tan"; Nicola Peltz and Jackson Rathbone look absolutely pale.

With zero context, they go from Ambiguously Brown to about as white as you can possibly get short of an albino.

We could do one of Ben Kingsly◊ as the Mandarin◊. Like this?◊ Or this one, if we want to go full YellowPeril.◊

I don't think cutting away two thirds of the image would help.

I'm certainly open to new suggestions, but I've not seen any I like. Doesn't look that good to me.

edited 22nd May '13 12:14:28 PM by AnotherDuck

Keep. None of the suggestions is better.

You do realize the comicbook Mandarin half caucasian (British Mother, Father is Chinese) right? So going from Caucasian-Chinese to Caucasian-Indian isn't exactly a huge Race Lift.

edited 22nd May '13 12:22:17 PM by CobraPrime

It's as valid as any other... we'd count a character going from, say, half-black/half-white to completely caucasian as an example, wouldn't we? Plus the guy looks very Asian in the comic pictures, even if he's technically mixed.

... that said, I still like the current the most. I don't see the need for changing.

This comic is a literal use of the trope. We could us the mid panel of this strip for comparison.

The other reason the current works so well is it shows it both ways, both characters going from not-white to white, and then from white (... ish) to less white.

edited 22nd May '13 1:33:50 PM by Larkmarn

I also think that the current is just fine.

I like the Short Packed webcomic strips, but I think the current works better.

The current is best.

I definitely prefer the current to the Shortpacked strip...that feels like something racism-oriented.

I prefer the current; Leaper said why it works, and I think it's clear that Sokka at least is not just a tan white guy. I also don't see pointing out the hero-villain stuff as necessary (plus it can look uglier), and it was decided against in both previous topics.

The Shortpacked strip isn't as clear at a glance.

I also prefer the current for the reasons that have already been stated.

That's enough of a consensus to stick with the current. I'll tag the page; locking up.