Ambiguous Name: Neocon Newscaster

Yes, I'm TRSing my own trope.

A couple months after I launched it I wandered onto the discussion tab and discovered that "neocon" didn't mean what I thought it meant (it actually refers to the so-called "California Republican", one who is fiscally conservative but socially liberal, when I thought it just meant arch-conservative). I'd like to get a name more indicative of the trope definition.

edited 6th May '13 3:36:19 PM by StarSword

A neocon isn't fiscally conservative and socially liberal. If anything, it's the opposite - they're okay with deficits and like spending massively on defense, but they're as socially conservative as any other conservative.

Well, then I've misunderstood it twice now.

Look, both me and the other guy were going off UsefulNotes.Political Ideologies.

edited 6th May '13 4:18:39 PM by StarSword

Maybe it was different in the 70s... anyway, besides neocon, "newscaster" isn't exactly accurate either, is it? I think this trope covers pundits and talkshow personalities more that literal newscasters, whose personal beliefs are rarely relevant.

Blame Eddie for that part. I went with his name suggestion after you pointed out I was misusing Expy in the original name, Glenn Bexpy. And you're right about what this is supposed to cover: basically fictional versions of Glenn Beck or whoever.

edited 6th May '13 6:00:35 PM by StarSword

Honestly, I really do think something like Fictional Glenn Beck Analogue (except ... better) would be the best way to go, as I couldn't figure out the trope at first but easily got it when I saw him mentioned.

I just don't know how widely recognized his name is outside the US.

edited 6th May '13 6:05:06 PM by nrjxll

The examples though don't just parody Glenn Beck. Several predate him. Some parody Rush Limbaugh, who was famous a decade earlier, and at least one example goes back even earlier.

America politics wonk here. Neocon definitively refers to foreign policy and not to this trope. I like Right Wing Pundit; too few people know Glenn Beck to base the name on them.

I have no idea who Glenn Beck is.

You're better off for that.

Right Wing Pundit works. Exactly What It Says on the Tin and all that.

So is the trope "Any pundit with conservative views" or is it "A particular stereotypical depiction of conservative pundits"?

And why limit this to one particular viewpoint?

Pompous Political Pundit could cover the whole spectrum.

edited 7th May '13 9:08:12 AM by Catbert

That would be better. For comparison, we have one page for Fox News Liberal and MSNBC Conservative.

That could work, though I have yet to see anyone parody a left-wing pundit like this.

edited 7th May '13 9:42:07 AM by StarSword

Well, the reason why the right-wing version is so popular isn't because of Glen Beck but because of of Rush Limbaugh.

But stil, I think it best to make broad enough to encompase a Keith Olberman paradoy, even if those aren't as common.

Bombastic Political Newscaster?

Pompous Political Pundit would be more clear, concise and alliterative...

All these sound somewhat awkward to me.

StarSword, #14: Poe's Law

Cheap shot out of the way, I like the PPP option Amy mentioned the best of what's been suggested, and can't really think of anything better.

I like Pompous Political Pundit best of the suggestions.

Me too. It keeps the Added Alliterative Appeal but is much less ambiguous.

+1 for the 3P.

I don't think we need a crowner. Star Sword launched the trope very recently and should be able to rename it without one.

"Pompous" doesn't really sound like the right word. What about Parody Pundit, or Parody Political Pundit if "pundit" isn't a recognizable term on its own?

^ One can be a pundit about things that aren't political, like f'rex sports.

As for "pompous", looks like it applies to me.