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Needs Help: White Haired Pretty Girl get usage counts

@Helter I wish i knew how to bold so i'm going to re-quote the sandbox with caps for emphesis maybe that wioll get my point across. Anyone care to fill me in ont he formating codes for the form since they're not i the editor next to the smilies?

White locks mark characters as different from other characters and special in some way. MAYBE their hair indicates some SPIRITUAL (or outright MAGICAL) qualities, or MAYBE it's a hint of a NONHUMAN background, (note non-hum, an ushually comes with some sort or definign power or other such thing). At the most MUNDANE, it suggests WISDOM BEYOND HER YEARS. It is a common mark of a Mysterious Waif.

Those are the important parts, your getting hung up on the first sentance wheras i'm treating that as a catchall to cover unlisted but still valid examples not included in the second and subsuquent sentances.

And no in no fictional setting i've ever read has mystical or arcane been used for mundane capabilities, (like Wise Beyond Their Years), unless they had a magical or supurnatural orogin. I'd consider any trope that used those as the sole definition when it was meant to inculude mundane but not normal, (for that species groups et al), powers as unclear.

Looks like i understand why we've been at cross purposes so much now, sorry ;).

edited 6th May '13 1:40:16 PM by Carl99

 
Piffy
Just for the record, [tup]Arcane White Mane

Is there a crowner about that I missed the link to?
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
Reposting crowner. This crowner will define what the trope means.

 79 Helter Skelter, Mon, 6th May '13 1:50:45 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
[up][up][up]If you really want to have an option that includes "mundane" examples, be my guest. But when you start including mundane examples like that, it means that you are broadening the trope to mean anything special about them. Non-human is fine. "They're wise" + white hair would be a totally different trope, if a trope at all. Including that with "mystical", "magical", "non-human" makes it Not a Trope. It makes it just about anyone whose special in anyway.

The thing maybe you don't realize is that the current trope just gives examples of how a character can be special. It just says "marks their owner as special", and then goes on to list some sort of examples.

edited 6th May '13 1:51:10 PM by helterskelter

 80 shimaspawn, Mon, 6th May '13 2:18:14 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Crowner hooked.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 81 Helter Skelter, Mon, 6th May '13 2:30:03 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
[up] Wait, are crowners working normally again? grin

Also, I changed the Sandbox.White Haired Pretty Girl as a possible indication of what the trope description might need. It's pretty rough. Yanked the image and quote, as they wouldn't be indicative. Also threw up an album of potential images (I presume a collage would be best, honestly). Unfortunately since the trope doesn't list male variants, I wasn't sure where to go about finding those.

edited 6th May '13 2:33:56 PM by helterskelter

 82 shimaspawn, Mon, 6th May '13 2:57:54 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Crowners appear to be working for the moment, thank Eddie. I figured it was at least worth a try.

I can hook them and they seem to be recording votes. So they're at least working-ish. That said, there is some issue with them and IP addresses so you might not be able to vote, but they're at least functioning to a degree.

edited 6th May '13 3:00:28 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 83 Septimus Heap, Mon, 6th May '13 3:07:44 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I upvoted the redefine option (Someone wrote it as a cut option, though)

 84 Helter Skelter, Mon, 6th May '13 3:10:16 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
[up] I personally see it as more of a cut than a redefine, as only one aspect of this trope is going to stay. Essentially, if we cut this trope and then just made a YKTTW for Arcane White Mane, there'd be no difference.

Obviously we need a name that says more than 'female, pretty, and white-haired, ' but cutting the page doesn't seem right since the Cut List page says that it's not the "Needs More Work" list and listing an article there should mean that it can't be saved. There are a number of examples already on the trope page that do list the character as mystical and arcane.

Piffy
[up]I think what [up][up] means is that first we are redefining the trope, and then changing the name of the trope, thus effectively soft-cutting it.
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
 87 Helter Skelter, Tue, 7th May '13 2:08:59 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
That is indeed what I mean. The trope is, in essence, being cut. Even the examples that get kept will have to be reworded. Perhaps calling it a 'soft cut' will make it clearer.

Also, is anyone having trouble with the votes? Current crowner says +10/0 to soft cut, all others in red.

edited 7th May '13 2:15:11 PM by helterskelter

 88 Septimus Heap, Tue, 7th May '13 2:11:10 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
That is what I see too, and the votes that it shows for me as all correct.

I haven't voted and it says that I've voted on everything.

 90 Helter Skelter, Tue, 7th May '13 2:38:25 PM Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Crud. Hollered to the mods to let them know.

edited 7th May '13 2:38:52 PM by helterskelter

I noticed that on a crowner earlier as well, but it still let me vote.

 92 lu 127, Tue, 7th May '13 3:12:12 PM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
There's not much I can do. It has to do with the way the system registers IPs right now. But since the votes are so far apart, it doesn't really impede us. If there was small difference between the options it would be a problem, but the current result is pretty definitive, if not entirely accurate,

(It shows I've voted on nothing).
小さく揺れた向日葵
 93 Willbyr, Mon, 3rd Jun '13 1:50:22 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Calling this in favor of the winning option. Make it so.
 94 Panctice Squad Cutterback, Sat, 15th Jun '13 10:04:50 AM from Georgia (the one the devil went to, not Russia)
This is Rain. Isn't she pretty? :)
White Haired Magical Girl?
I'm not LGBT. I just think Rain's really cool.

Apologies if my humor gets too painful.
But without "girl."

 96 Panctice Squad Cutterback, Sat, 15th Jun '13 12:04:34 PM from Georgia (the one the devil went to, not Russia)
This is Rain. Isn't she pretty? :)
But we need something to establish the fact that it's Always Female. White Hair, Black Heart has the same problem.
I'm not LGBT. I just think Rain's really cool.

Apologies if my humor gets too painful.
 97 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Jun '13 12:07:53 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
The crowner disagrees with you.

White Hair, Black Heart was changed recently from White-Haired Pretty Boy because, although it's implied to be male and attractive, that's not what it's about.

edited 15th Jun '13 12:37:09 PM by lexicon

Piffy
I liked Arcane White Mane
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
Arcane White Mane works for me as well.

Alternative Titles: White Haired Pretty Girl
21st Jun '13 9:36:55 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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