PiffyPlay Guess The Trope before you click the link. I bet you didn't guess that it only applies to prisoners refusing food from their captors.
I Thought It Meant not being hungry from some emotional turmoil.
No, the other one.Bad name, not thriving (37 wicks, 20 inbounds), and it's an old trope. I think the amount of inbounds would be significantly less if it weren't such a common phrase. Rename. Edit: I did a quick wick check, though I didn't write it down, and I'd estimate a 10%-20% misuse, not including some 20%-40% lack of context or ambiguous examples. Almost all misuse is because of the name, as in interpreting the trope as wider than its definition, which is the exact same problem the name has. If someone really wants it formally written down, I can probably do that if asked.
edited 2nd Apr '13 2:25:00 PM by AnotherDuck
A Wizard boyRename. Blasted dialogue title.
I'd like to see some suggested alternative titles.
Food Refusing Prisoner? That's all I can think of.
This is basically a Hunger Strike isn't it?
Yeah. Hunger strikes can be done by people who aren't prisoners too, but it's the same basic idea. I'd rather use the name Hunger Strike and slightly broaden the definition than use the clunky name that I came up with.
No, the other one.Pretty much. It's a little wider, but I don't see the trope losing meaning for it. Hunger Strike would also include some of the misuse, if we widen the definition to it. I think it's only notable for prisoners in that it's basically the only thing they can do.
edited 2nd Apr '13 3:25:43 PM by AnotherDuck
World's Toughest MilkmanYes, after looking this over, I agree that this is not thriving and that it has some (unsurprising) evidence of misuse. And Hunger Strike seems like a very reasonable name for the trope.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
PiffyHunger Strike Do y'all think there's a trope to be salvaged in the more general refusing-of-food implied by the name, or is it too much of a Stock Phrase thing?
No, the other one.Too dialoguey. I'm also not sure how tropable it is, even as a wide supertrope.
PiffyAlright. Do we have consensus, or should we wait for a few more people and/or get a crowner before renaming?
No, the other one.I think we can wait a few days. We're not in a great hurry.
A Wizard boyI approve of Hunger Strike and expansion. We aren't in a hurry, though.
I don't see any reason to delay. Hunger Strike is exactly what the trope is.
Prisoners not eating isn't just about hunger striking, sometimes it's about not eating something that might be poisoned/drugged. (ie hunger striking in the hope that X will happen and refusing to eat questionable food isn't the same thing.)
edited 5th Apr '13 4:18:37 PM by m8e
Carpe by all means diem, but not all diem are worth carpe.
You might have to miss half of tomorrow to catch the whole today.
the it-thingyThose sound like two different tropes...
"I'm an odd person that likes to write odd people." - JHM
World's Toughest MilkmanI have to agree.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
No, the other one.Yeah. Not eating because it might be poisoned is prudent/paranoid, not a Hunger Strike. Also not what I take this trope to be about. Yes, it says so, but a trope focusing on the action rather than on the purpose doesn't carry a meaning. At lesat in this case.
edited 6th Apr '13 7:02:15 AM by AnotherDuck
I see two different tropes as well. Hunger Strike would be for protests and political activism. Refusing food in prison is different. Of course I vote to change the name. I'm Not Hungry is bad. Yes, true enough. It's just I see a prisoner refusing food different from a political activist refusing to eat to save or free whatever. You have a point that it's a form of protest as well. I just see those two as separate things.
edited 6th Apr '13 2:31:35 PM by XFllo
Refusing food in prison often is a protest. Refusing it for fear of being poisoned is a different trope.
Another for Hunger Strike.
for Hunger Strike as some of the examples fit more with that name than 'I'm Not Hungry', plus a revision to the Laconic entry: 'Refusal to eat as a form of protest.' instead of 'A prisoner spurns their captor's hospitality.'
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