Duplicate Trope: Conceive And Kill

This one should be fairly straightforward.

This was launched with barely any feedback and some messy categorization. It easily fits into the mold of Black Widow—-the woman kills her partner after they mate. While money is a prime motivation, I don't think it should be limited to that. We could tweak the description of Black Widow, then merge this one there.

Opinions?

We should cut this but the description of Black Widow definitely needs a rewrite. It's way too specific.

Agree on all counts.

+1 to torch it and rewrite Black Widow.

By the title I was actually expecting this to duplicate Offing the Offspring.

But yes. Merge to Black Widow and rewrite.

Another +1 to merge and rewrite.

What they said. I don't think it's sufficiently distinct.

Can we use the Rule Of Seven here? Especially with recent launches?

Taking the complete lack of feedback in the YKTTW (well, there was one, but I interpret that as agreeing with the popular opinion in this thread), I don't think it would hurt.

Yeah, I remember the YKTTW. Was in fact tempted to tag it as duplicate.

I disagree with merging, primarily because Black Widow is a pre-existing term which means exactly what the current trope defines it as (serially killing off husbands for monetary gain).

Wiktionary says it's about husbandkillers in general.

I know Black Widow pre-existing term but don't think it's that specific.

All of the murderers listed on the Wikipedia disambiguation page got the nickname from being convicted or suspected serial killers.

edited 9th Feb '13 12:49:30 PM by Noaqiyeum

A Black Widow is a woman who marries then kills several husbands in a row. It is usually, but does not have to be for monetary gain.

It has to be more than one?

When referring to serial killers, yes, because a serial killer needs to have at lest 3 murders to be a serial killer.

So, does this trope only deal with female serial killers?

Both tropes under discussion are female, per their descriptions.

But not about serial killers.

Black Widow is a serial killer that murder her husbands for monetary gains.
Conceive and Kill is about getting pregnant an killing the father when he has "filled his role".

edited 9th Feb '13 1:44:59 PM by m8e

So, since we agree that killing several husbands makes a woman a Black Widow, the question is whether a single killed husband would qualify. I'd say yes, given that it's right in the name (it takes just one husband to be a "widow")

Sounds reasonable, but there is still the difference that one of them is about money and marriage and the other one about genes and offspring.

One gets pregnant and then kills the father for whatever reason(like eating them). The other one get merried and kills the husband for money.

edited 9th Feb '13 2:00:47 PM by m8e

Agreed with m8e. I started this one because it is distinct from the black widow trope in that in a lot of these fictional situations, there does not seem to be extreme malice on the part of the female.

Sometimes, as in the case of the H'nemthe, both genders regarded it (in a possibly misguided way) as being just part of life's cycle and regarded it as being true love if the normal process was followed. Male H'nemthe willingly participated, as they believed that if they died this way, they would be spiritual guardians for their offspring in the next world.

Compare this with the black widow trope, where the killing tends to be carried out for malicious motives. Also, in the world of fiction, the black widow trope is not necessarily to be entwined with sex and reproduction (though it is with black widow spiders in real life). In the context of the trope I have created, it is not necessarily entwined with malice (i.e. hatred) and also, this trope deals specifically with when the killing happens following sex and conception.

Apologies for my failure to follow due process in the creation of this trope: - I am new to this Wiki and I am still struggling to understand how things work.

YKTTW is due process for creating a trope (although ignoring objections isn't).

That said, I still don't agree on a distinction between the tropes. To wit, real life black widow spiders also have this as an arguable normal behaviour.

edited 9th Feb '13 3:10:02 PM by SeptimusHeap

The trope and idiom Black Widow, however, does not.