Unified Warhammer Fantasy thread

Slaanesh always was the odd one out, and it does feel like he's lost his edge in a world where we're coming around to the fact that sex for purposes other than procreation and with people we can't procreate with is a-ok.

Its because slaanesh become the god of sex and nothing else, yeah they try to make slaanesh everything but that and fail, the meme overtake the chararter

They're not even trying anymore. Honestly all the Chaos Gods are slowly following it. They started as manifestations of chaos with Blue-and-Orange Morality. There was more to them at the start such as:

• Khorne representing courage and overcoming odds, but retaining a code of honor of not attacking the weak and defensless
• Nurgle represented fear of our fragile bodies, and joining him represent overcoming as long as you have love and reasons to keep living.
• Tzeentch was one who had elements of hope, that change is important for the better or worse
• Slaanesh also represented the ambition of honing your skills and enjoying your short life (Cooks and artists help Slaanesh).

Of course such stuff seems to be slowly abandoned in favor of MEMEWORTHY GRIMDAAAAAAAARK!!!! The funny is that these elements existed when the setting didn't take itself seriously at all!

edited 16th Jul '15 7:32:54 AM by YoKab

they focus more in individual baddy, Malekith,Nagash,Abbadon, the chaos gods are dificult seen they are insane, so they are let more as background fore than a chararter

See, this is why I just cackle when I hear people excited about Age of Sigmar because it's finally "advancing the plot." Because just look at this. If we're optimistic and assume that Slaanesh will return someday with new models or something, then GW's idea of advancing the plot is to turn a faction being out-of-focus while it's in development into a lame "toppled from hir throne" story excusing its absence. If we're pessimistic, then "advancing the plot" means the Asur defeated one of their deadliest enemies, off-screen, while Slaanesh was in the divine equivalent of a turkey coma.

Also, just have to quote and rant at one of the latest leaks: the greenskins worship "many deities" now. Gorkamorka started as Gorkamorka, then became Gork and Mork, and goes back and forth between the two because reasons. And Gork is explicitly the ferocious one and Mork explicitly the tricksy one. What, you liked the old "arguing which is which" joke? Fuck you. Buy our models.

Slaanesh was defeated so badly that s/he was force to go to a different universe and recuperate. The local time of his entry into the other universe's Warp was M30.

So for anyone that cares GOG.com has Shadow of the Horned Rat available now, along with two 40K games: Chaos Gate and Final Liberation.

Ehhh the goblins and orc already workship minor deities: the spiders,bad moon and many others, just little cults around

And the cuts the jokes....really? You rant about two pages ago, what the hell?

The "Gork, or maybe Mork" thing is not only one of Games Workshop's oldest running gags, it perfectly captures the greenskins' character, their willingness to fight each other over trivial disputes and the lighthearted presentation of this viciousness. It establishes them as belligerent, fractious and kinda stupid, but in a black comedy sort of way.

Contrast this with the company-mandated "humor" in the warscrolls for the old armies, a campaign to make Warhammer models embarrassing to play with so we'll have to buy the new stuff.

But it was just that a running gag about ork being toó stupid know what god is what, it funny the first time but become white tiresome after a while

And forced? Well...it as clear the old faction woundt be in age of sigmar so it was a send off than anything else

Yeah, sending them off with a 21-fart salute and middle fingers raised at attention.

A dignified send-off would have been fine. Making them a joke, and an unfunny, overplayed joke at that, was not fine. As it is the dignified send-off WHFB is getting is called Kings of War second edition.

edited 16th Jul '15 9:33:38 PM by CountDorku

Total War trailer.

Gonna plug the thread for Total War: Warhammer

what it would like a proper sendoff to you? becuase that it what it was, plain and simple

I dunno, like sticking to your claims and either offer proper rules for the old models or just never mention them again... Making your older models looking like some sort of Old Shame isn't a great send off either, it's like burning the mini-boat of your child.

edited 17th Jul '15 10:56:55 AM by YoKab

Think is, the whole Old shame is for the player who feel "insulted" for GW is simple, the game didnt sell, they want more copy write and other issue so move the game into another way, pretty simple.

Then why even bother with the fucking older models, why claim upcoming support a while ago?

A proper sendoff would look like rules that didn't require me to dance and pretend to ride a horse. You know, just some gesture to say "we appreciate all the money you've spent on our stuff already, and we hope you'll give Age of Sigmar a try" - rather than "haha, you own our old models, what a loser, if you want to play with dignity you'll buy our new stuff".

As I've said before, it wasn't selling because GW could not manage a whelk stall.

Would you like to know why it wasn't selling? It was because on top of the AU$50 per unit, 8th edition wanted big forces so that could be more like AU$100. Swordmasters of Hoeth cost AU$55 per rank. (Even in the US it's $33.) Then add the additional cost for the core rulebook, for your particular splat's rulebook, for spray cans, for paints, for terrain. Even a small game of WHFB had an enormous buy-in. Compare this to, for example, Kings of War, where you can get enough core rules to play the game quite effectively for free, and units cost about half as much as GW's do (at least in Australia).

So if it wasn't selling, GW might have considered, ooh, cutting prices, writing better rules, having a marketing department at all...but no, it's cheaper to photocopy some rules someone put together last thing on a Friday afternoon and didn't give more than rudimentary playtesting. And that is where AoS came from.

(The really tragic thing about AoS is that its living rulebook, free rules model is something GW should have done years ago, and it's something Mantic has been doing since, what, 2011? 2012? It's just heartbreaking that the game they're doing it for is this.)

And the way in which they did that was hopelessly inept even by the standards of a company that thinks market research is an unnecessary overhead.

• Instead of a game that is playable from release, we've been told "You're supposed to play it based around scenarios! No, we're not going to give you any."
• Instead of something to show the elegance and power of the new rules, we get changeover rules that read like nobody gave a damn. (To be fair, given how hopeless those new rules are, this could be argued to be a fair showing of their quality!)
• Instead of something to show that without points values to guide us we can still have a fair fight, we got massive troop imbalances in the starter set. (Look at the Liberator and Prosecutor warscrolls - Prosecutors get ranged attacks, more accurate melee attacks and greater mobility; Liberators get to re-roll 1's on their 4+ saves, meaning they basically have 3.5+ saves. Incentive to bring Liberators instead of Prosecutors: none!)
• Instead of a gesture to show that old-time WHFB fans were still welcomed, we got "pretend to ride a horse for a combat bonus" and "two separate units are stronger if you don't shave".
• Instead of decent friggin' rules we got the Age of Sigmar Death Scrum, ballistas that read like they fire 72 shots a turn, "Fateweaverhammer" (bring one Screaming Bell and as many Kairos Fateweavers as you can; use one Fateweaver to win first turn, one to set the Screaming Bell's dice to the usually impossible instawin value of 13, and the rest to win the roll for "the most important rule" when your opponent protests), and ridiculous Sudden Death victory conditions that incentivise bringing a hill as the entirety of your army (pick Endure, and since there's no way to destroy a hill, you win).
• Instead of protecting copyright by coming up with new and interesting things, they slapped a stupid name on preexisting fantasy archetypes - Ogors, Orruks and so on - while engaging in a hopelessly transparent attempt to remove all the actually Norse bits of Norse mythology so they could copyright it.

edited 17th Jul '15 1:34:35 PM by CountDorku

Warhammer was a fantasy setting that was doing fairly well in its 7th Edition, even if there were a few rough spots. Then an 8th edition had to be rushed because a baleful moron wrote some gamebreaking rules, and the whole system suffered for it. If you count Age of Sigmar as the next Warhammer entry, it would be the game's 9th, and the most divisive and despised entry of the entire series, one that many fans felt just outright insulted the players with terrible mechanics and awful lore.

So am I talking about a tabletop game, or the Ultima series? And what would Spoony say in this situation?

I think I may actually need to thank GW for producing Age of Sigmar. After all, without it, a) I would never have noticed how much cheaper Kings of War is, and b) I wouldn't have witnessed the comic brilliance of charging $65 for two models, the larger of which looks absolutely ridiculous.

So, de change the name into age of sigmar thread? Because is ether that or complaining because peple love the old setting so damn much?

MORE SPIKES.

If you love Age of Sigmar so godamn much and people critizicing it is not amusing you, then how about creating a new thread for it instead? It's the best and most logical move, it satisfies both parties.

While it is indeed hopeful that GW is actually doing something new and advancing the setting, after more than thirty years of doing the same thing they aren’t quite sure how to go about it. The result so far is a weak convoluted hybrid of Norse mythology and their own 40k franchise, with a few references to the old Fantasy lore scattered around, much to the disappointment of most of the WHFB fanbase.

The biggest flaw is the lack of points costs or substitute. Age of Sigmar has no way to judge whether two armies are even remotely evenly matched without trial and error. You could be trying to make a balanced army with deliberate weaknesses, and still table your opponent by accident because you didn't realize cavalry had been buffed.

edited 20th Jul '15 8:21:54 AM by YoKab

If I love it? not much, I like GW is finally doing something with the fluff instead of repeting the same over and over with some few adition each time, but I want this threat to being more than complaing for the next couple of pages, which is funny because before end times nobody did anything here.

And please, next time try to come with a critic of your own, no copy paste 4chan on the matters

Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition was actually fairly broken with rules being a mess, and before that we background getting stale and high fantasy wank fest. With such a fall one would assume there would be an improved 9th edition that fixes the complaints with some public playtesting, rather than ya know... Kill off the whole thing and start a reboot because you had your equivalent of Dungeons & Dragons 4th edition. Rather than expand the setting and clean up, they either raged or went full nihilism with the End Times which felt to me like some sort of ragequit, especially considering how the expansion was EVEN MORE BROKEN! And now we have this Age of Sigmar that on one hand tries to do something, but on the other hand is oversimplified and not clear in direction/inspiration, along with attempts to appeal to the 40k folks.

Fair enough on the last parts I guess, even though I actually worked (and created) on the rules sections in the article and got lazy. So I guess I did come up with it, but didn't bother building it again as I felt I will repeat what I said pages ago which funnily enough I did anyway. Maybe I just stopped caring or got tired as the discussion started getting repetitive, and myself becoming one... I feel like I laid out anything I had in mind ya know. I just don't have anything new to digest...

Perhaps we will see what they do next, but puttting other mythologies and your old fluff into a blender does not give the greatest impressions. It feels like 40k but in Fantasy, which enough is what I saw 40k as before, and that spin-off is already having some issues on its own.

I really miss the old Specialist Games though, even if you an find some of the stuff online... I think I may as well dust off the old models of mine and trade/sell them or something, it's not like I'm gonna burn them like some bloke did on You Tube

edited 20th Jul '15 11:49:02 AM by YoKab