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videogmer314 from that one place Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#1: Jan 3rd 2013 at 12:05:33 PM

Double Standard and Aggressive Categorism both use the same xkcd strip, arranged differently.

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#2: Jan 3rd 2013 at 12:17:06 PM

Double Standard has the higher quality.

However, this image could fit either trope just as well. I suppose Aggressive Categorism is the more narrow trope, but I dunno which one would be harder to find a replacement for.

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#3: Jan 3rd 2013 at 12:19:57 PM

Double Standard would be harder to replace, because it's locked for editing. :D

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#4: Jan 3rd 2013 at 12:24:00 PM

That's a non-issue; Willbyr (or any other mod) is capable of replacing an image on a locked page if a thread concludes that it should be done.

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#5: Jan 3rd 2013 at 12:28:04 PM

Double Standard is much broader, so it should be easier to replace.

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#6: Jan 3rd 2013 at 12:28:38 PM

It fits Double Standard well, and Aggressive Categorism not. The laconic of Aggressive Categorism from YKTTW (I waded through the description and it wasn't clear to me): "A character establishing or upholding prejudice in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary". There isn't any evidence to the contrary here; the equation shown is wrong.

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#7: Jan 3rd 2013 at 1:40:04 PM

[up] I agree; I vote we keep it on Double Standard.

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#8: Jan 3rd 2013 at 1:41:16 PM

Someone will have to translate the Example as a Thesis on Aggressive Categorism for me to make a judgment.

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#9: Jan 3rd 2013 at 2:38:18 PM

The idea behind Aggressive Categorism is the faulty generalisation 'This X is Y, therefore all X are Y' (and acting accordingly, including when such conclusions are obviously absurd), which is what the image depicts. The picture is as appropriate on that page as on Double Standard, and Double Standard would be easier to replace, so we should keep the image on Aggressive Categorism.

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#10: Jan 3rd 2013 at 2:40:04 PM

We can keep the full image on Double Standard and only the "girls suck" one on Aggressive Categorism.

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#11: Jan 3rd 2013 at 4:29:09 PM

...that would still count as a duplicate image, wouldn't it?

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#12: Jan 3rd 2013 at 9:37:14 PM

I would think so, yes.

videogmer314 from that one place Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#13: Jan 9th 2013 at 4:30:06 PM

Bump. Which page are we going to pull the image from?

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#14: Jan 9th 2013 at 6:04:34 PM

Actually, I think both panels are still needed for Aggressive Categorism, as it establishes the categorism as specifically directed, and doesn't apply to other groups of about the same size (i.e. men).

And if we don't find any replacement, I'd prefer leaving it on both pages.

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#15: Jan 9th 2013 at 6:15:11 PM

No - applying the generalisation unfairly to a group is Aggressive Categorism. Failing to apply the generalisation consistently to all such groups is a Double Standard.

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#16: Jan 9th 2013 at 6:21:47 PM

I think it says the categorism is unfair, as Double Standard is a form of unfairness. But fair enough, if people have a different opinion.

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#17: Jan 10th 2013 at 1:12:44 PM

Works better for Double Standard.

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#18: Jan 12th 2013 at 3:04:17 PM

How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!_controversy for Aggressive Categorism? It's both aggressive and has aggressive categorism :3

edited 12th Jan '13 3:05:15 PM by peccantis

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#20: Jan 12th 2013 at 5:57:46 PM

Ok.

Here is a link to a bigger image: [1]

edited 12th Jan '13 5:58:49 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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#22: Jan 12th 2013 at 9:17:26 PM

I don't think it's an improvement, but in the light of duplicated image, sure.

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#23: Feb 1st 2013 at 11:18:47 AM

Another abandoned discussion? Wow, tropers never get anything done. :P

edited 1st Feb '13 12:06:41 PM by Noaqiyeum

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#24: Feb 1st 2013 at 11:37:49 AM

Lots gets done by tropers, but whining at tropers never gets things done.

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