Power Rangers/Sentai RP Interest Gauge

Well, the only experience I have with sentai is Mighty Morphin' through to Dino Thunder, so I don't know much about SPD/RPM/original sentai in general, but what ~I'm saying is... the military stuff feels too prominent. In, say, Lightspeed Rescue, it had the right tone for a military setting, a nice blend of serious moments and goofiness. I get the feeling this will end up more serious than necessary.

I apologise if I'm misunderstanding something. I know I do that a lot.

Well, you guys will be the players, the tone will be mostly handled by you while I supply the plot along with the producer. i think an ideal RP should emulate Powerrangers RPM, what with its tone, nods to past canon and self-awareness.

edited 12th Dec '12 11:40:22 AM by HyperAlbion

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Personally, I dislike the idea of generic military weapons or such. Its supposed to be about combining weapons, blasting monsters with that, and looking just kinda over the top with the suits, not...full body military uniforms.

I was thinking something like a Hybrid of the SPD suits (what with the sleek design) and the neuro armor seen in Pacific Rim with a bit of being informed from Gobuster. So instead of it looking like Painted Spandex it would be bioluminescent neocloth. Think the Green Lantern suit without the obnoxious veins. I wanted it to look like what would happen if some DARPA but who watched too much TV got a hold of a near infinite power source.

The Zord designs in similar. What I liked about Gobuster was its Mecha fights. Not just a formula "fuse n fight" but each individual Zord using its own unique skills for certain fight. We'd have Red facing a giant robot, Blue clearing ruble, while Yellow was back on the ground with a monster. Think of a fight were you have a flying Zord putting suppressive fire on a monster while super artillery Mech is launching heavy energy fire from miles away. When combing it would be used for specific cases, and it would be based on taking advantage of certain aspect. For example, a flying Zord coming down on top of the artillery and uniting, so that you could have a mobile weapons platform even though it would be slower than just the flight Zord (though faster than the artillery Zord) thus, each fight would be a unique expression in battle based on the unique scenarios encountered. New Zords would allow a more versatile response to certain battles.

Visually, I'd go for 'reality, but cooler" so image all the kickass flying submarines, flying humveesamd airborne aircraft carriers we are making in real life. But with more flair for style. Like Mighty Mechanical Man-monoliths fighting back against the void. Think Thunderbirds as done by Hideki Anno.

Anyone here see The Avengers? Exactly like that. It's the type of thing I'm going for.

edited 12th Dec '12 1:39:28 PM by HyperAlbion

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OK, in light of everything I've seen so far I'm definitely going to pass on this.

If anyone wants the Green spot, it's open now.

"Yup. That tasted purple."

Um... Yeah, sorry, but what Deady said. >.< Was thinking this would be more like Mighty Morphin' or the like, or something cheesy and silly like that. I just... Don't really work well with a militaristic setting, and if I'd known that from the beginning... Sorry about the misunderstanding, and I hope this goes well for you anyways.

edited 12th Dec '12 1:26:55 PM by Moerin

Wait,my net got cut off I Wasn't finished with that above post.

ok its done.

Also pardon me as I'm pretty new to the ranger fandom on the net. But isnt MMPR not usually considered one of the better PR seasons? I always though Space was the fan fav of the Zordon era due to its epic scope and massive space opera style that took itself seriously. MMPR just seemed like a Nostalgia thing to me not an actually good PR season like Time Force was.

edited 12th Dec '12 1:57:40 PM by HyperAlbion

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not part of the Ranger fandom. The only reason I know things about the series after Mighty Morphin' is thanks to Linkara's reviews of them. See, um... Mighty Morphin' came out when I was a kid. It was one of the shows I grew up with, and I have very fond childhood memories of it. I haven't actually seen any series other than it, honestly. And... I think it went the right way in playing it as ridiculous as it did, because... Honestly, the whole concept is very silly and cheesy, and that's what I loved about it. It wasn't played seriously, it wasn't made out to be anything other than what it was, it was just... A whole lot of fun, and I know nostalgia is a big part of how I feel about it, but I really loved that series.

But I'm old, I guess, and clouded by nostalgia. But... Whenever I see "Power Rangers", it's what I instantly think of. And... This isn't what I thought of, and that's my fault, and I'm sorry. This just isn't my thing, okay?

Ok I get it. It's like if I said "Batman" and you thought of Adam West instead of Paul Dini.

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I'm out too.

This was really not what I wanted out of an RP of PR.

I wanted something with just the right blend of seriousness and cheesy flavor to use my older characters, but instead, this goes against the canon feel and instead goes with something militaristic and having to make sense from a military fighting perspective.

I did not sign on for something like that. And least of all for the gnarly, ugly and disgusting looking weapons present in my mind when I picture "generic military weapons". The military of the present day is not what I like reading of in something like this.

edited 12th Dec '12 7:38:39 PM by NickTheSwing

I understand if you want to leave but I would be amiss if you did so under false perceptions. When I linked to the visual aesthetic I showed machines that look like kickass this, this and this and said it would be "Thunder Birds crossed with Hideaki Anno" I also said the mech design would be informed by Pacific Rim

I don’t know about you, but I don’t find such images "gnarly, ugly and disgusting looking.”

Not only that, but I made great efforts to research the Sentai canon feel when creating the setting, as I noted, the vast majority of Sentai shows involve Military Agencies that Bump Back against kaijin. Thus I adapted this setting.

You seem to have my Reconstructionist take confused with a Deconstructionist one. I'm not trying to make Youngblood, I'm trying to make Kingdom Come. Again I point to Power Rangers RPM as the set up I'm going for here, serious circumstances, but with characters willing to acknowledge their own tropes in a self-aware manner. I’m not trying to do a Watchmen here, but I don't want to go through it as if it was a joke or parody*

, as I find that disrespectful to the concept. Think less Frank Miller more Grant Morrison. Here’s what I’m talking about, using Joss Whedon as an example.

Knowing all that, if you feel this isnt the RP for you feel free to leave, but I dont want you getting the idea that I'm trying to do a grimngritty PR here. Think Yasuko Kobayashi not Christopher Nolan.

edited 12th Dec '12 8:23:49 PM by HyperAlbion

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I was talking about the aesthetic appearance of the current (modern) generic military weapon, as you said would be used by the characters.

And the whole thing with the Zords fighting separately really does no favors either, due to most people remembering them combining first and foremost and fighting the monster(s).

Going for military realism in the manner that "this machine does X, this one does Y, and this one does Z, for purely tactical purposes" is probably not helping.

As for those pictures you posted, I found the first one gaudy and kind of asymmetrical, and the others were tainted by modernistic, realistic perspectives. I am not here because I want to RP a military operation where people are saluting and drilling until protocol demands they do something in a precise order, or for a tactical perspective in a humongous mecha battle.

edited 12th Dec '12 9:00:15 PM by NickTheSwing

Well it wouldn't have saluting or drilling (unless you wanted to RP that way) and the Zord designs were only using examples, you'd be free to redesign them, but the Zord battles were based upon the ones in Go-Busters, which I believed felt more creative an fresh than "fuse together, shot it." The idea of always fighting fused negates the individual aspects of the zords. But if people want to fuse right away I cannot stop them. Everything here is really a rough idea, most of the RP would be shaped by the players. But if you dont like the more traditional sentai style of playing, what would your ideal PR RP be like, I could go back to the drawing board and rework this one, keeping the original version for another forum that is more like with the original canon Sentai feel.

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Thank goodness to that, I would not like RP'ing like that.

Why don't you try to ask the others, and hope that they would be willing to reconsider?

As for me, personally, it would be a perfect blend of the seriousness of RPM, its self awareness, and some cheesy stuff we see otherwise, but sometimes showing a slightly darker view on certain character types. As far as weapons, such things as swords, and various weapons that can combine and be upgraded for a stronger form.

Eh, that doesn't seem to work naturally, if you want to have a more comedic, campy, cheesy, less faithful type RP, I think it'd be better if you start it yourself and then I could join or help with background. Since this one is trying to act as a reconstruction that takes Sentai tropes and justifies them within a semi-realistic setting, nonsensical or "toy advert" stuff wouldn't really fit. Like, this was going for "RPM in tone, SPD in setting" but you guys seem to want "Carranger in tone, MMPR in setting" and I'm not really down for D Ming a game that treats Sentai like an Adam West joke. I find it disrespectful. It'd be like Paul Dini trying to get Batman The Animated Series in but all anybody wanted was Batman '66. I want to be part of something that could be seen as a actual Sentai show, not a parody of one.

edited 14th Dec '12 6:40:14 AM by HyperAlbion

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I have to disagree that a more comedic sentai RP is 'less faithful', especially when said less faithful shows make up quite a few season in the genre/are rather fond childhood memories (of mine, at least). And having a super serious sentai RP simply doesn't sound or feel right at all.

Just my opinion, but since this also isn't what I thought it would be like either, I'll have to drop out as well.

I never said "super-serious" but something along Batman Begins that takes all the original tropes and explained them, while putting them in a more down-to-earth setting. Apparently when I opened this thread, everyone just ignored me when I said "Reonstructionist" and just focused on "PR", associating that with the campy nineties nonsense of the Early Saban era rather than strong characterization of better series such as Time Force and SPD or the more mature tone of RPM. Heck, you even showed disbelief at a military sentai as if that wasn't the focus of the grand majority of the series. Oh, well this is probably my fault, I should probably just take this RP to a site like Rangerboard that has a crowd for in tune with the Sentai/PR fanbase, as Moerin said, it's clear you guys aren't really that into the concept outside nostalgia.

edited 14th Dec '12 8:23:24 AM by HyperAlbion

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OK, I guess I'm going to have to talk to you in a quasi-official capacity.

Tone down the rhetoric; right now you're bordering on personal attack territory. Basing an argument around the "No True Scotsman" Fallacy isn't going to end well either.

"Yup. That tasted purple."

Sorry, I suppose I got a bit upset when everyone started to attack me. Regardless it is apparent that I have a different view of the genre that you do. I was trying to go for a Pacific Rim style reboot flow, as if hollywood made an original PR film and had a Nolan type do a Batman Begins (thus my "Reconstruction"). You guys were thinking a MMPR playthrough, right? But that still doesn't justify insulting me and making assumptions.

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...When did we insult you? We misunderstood the tone, I disagree with your views on sentai. That's all there is to it.

It felt as if you were judging me, and I got offended. Calling my zord ideas "ugly" and implying I was like "Micheal Bay"-ing up your PR innocence, you acted as if I was injected a bunch of my own ideas about Sentai into it when I was just trying to be faithful to the series as a whole. I never even said anything about the tone, and when I did I gave examples from past Sentai and PR, I must have said "RPM" at least three times. You all just assumed what I was trying to do without even actually seeing me DM, and I got emotional over it. Sorry for the outburst, I didn't mean to imply you we're "true fans" but it just felt as if you were accusing me of not being a True Scotsman, and sense I'm a very big fan of Sentai and PR I felt as if my honor had been attacked.

edited 14th Dec '12 9:55:48 AM by HyperAlbion

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Alright, I am sorry for the heavy handed insults. I misunderstood what the RP would likely be like.

It's ok, sorry for overreacting so much. If you decided to go with your more light RP, I'd be glad to be of help.

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Well, how about we go for an RP then?

As for it being "light", it would not necessarily be too light and cheesy, there would just be nods and appearances of certain older ideas. I've done some brainstorming about this.

But didn't you guys pull out of my RP due to a perceived lack of lightness and cheesiness?

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