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KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#1: Nov 26th 2012 at 12:28:55 PM

Nothing tells me the woman is a genie, nor is she benevolent.

Wasn't paying attention to what I was typing. tongue

edited 26th Nov '12 12:51:31 PM by KarjamP

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#2: Nov 26th 2012 at 12:39:15 PM

Keep Until Better Image Suggested

She's dressed in pseudo-arabic attire. She's a blonde and white so obviously not arabic and the dude next to her make me infer it's not a culture thing. Not the best image, but not the worst.

Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
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#3: Nov 26th 2012 at 12:42:17 PM

She doesn't look as though she posesses one of the other genie personalities due to the smile and all, and, as [up] said, is in pseudo-arabic attire. If she wasn't on the page I wouldn't guess that she was a genie, but still, Keep Until Better Image Suggested since nothing is being harmed. A suggestion would be great.

edited 26th Nov '12 12:42:57 PM by Telcontar

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KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#4: Nov 26th 2012 at 12:49:40 PM

I wasn't paying attention to what I was typing and typed that I cant when in truth I can tell that the woman's a genie.

Anyway, The smile could be a facade for her true intentions to screw him over. I'm not saying that it is, but that's how it can be interpreted.

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#5: Nov 26th 2012 at 12:52:25 PM

Anyway, The smile could be a facade for her true intentions to screw him over. I'm not saying that it is, but that's how it can be interpreted.

That's kinda reads like you're reaching. First of all, the image gives no indication its the case. And this is kinda a slippery slope: One might argue that the image in Kick the Dog doesn't set up that the dog was not in fact evil!

As I said before, the image isn't great (Id like an image of Jeannie with her bottle) but it's not bad. And you've yet to actually offer a better replacement (Or any replacement). On its own the image is not bad enough that "No image" is a better option.

edited 26th Nov '12 12:54:59 PM by CobraPrime

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#6: Nov 26th 2012 at 3:09:43 PM

It's weak, but a Keep Until Better Image Suggested case for me.

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#7: Nov 26th 2012 at 8:11:54 PM

Google image result: [1]

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#9: Nov 26th 2012 at 9:27:10 PM

I think the Aladdin pic in 7 is much better than the current. The lamp means genie and the smiles means benevolent.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#10: Nov 27th 2012 at 2:36:46 AM

Why do people think that image pickin thread starters must suggest a picture themselves?

I didn't know it was required.

In fact, I think it's optional (although maybe recommended).

Perhaps a frame from this animated GIF?

The reason why I was "reaching" was because I was finding it difficult to come up with a reason why I think it's JAFAAC.

Besides, it doesn't seam like an happy smile.

edited 27th Nov '12 2:51:08 AM by KarjamP

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#11: Nov 27th 2012 at 3:58:53 AM

It is optional, but unless someone suggests something better, the pic will stay unless it's actively harming the trope. Which is exactly what "Keep until better image suggested" means. (Yeah, Cobra Prime may have suggested otherwise, but still.)

I like the Aladdin one. The caption on the current seems to detract from the image; the "deer in headlights" look could be interpreted as "what have I gotten myself into", which was the entire plot of I Dream Of Jeannie, but without the context of why it becomes easier to interpret Jeannie's smile as a facade or malicious. It could almost work for Manic Pixie Dream Girl or maybe Magical Girlfriend. By contrast, Aladdin's smile suggests that the Genie is actually being benevolent towards him.

And no, she really doesn't look much like a genie. Her dress isn't exactly normal, but the only thing that makes it specifically "pseudo-Arabic" is the pink cloth thing around her neck - maybe the hat, but you can't see it very well. I'd honestly prefer the current image on I Dream Of Jeannie itself, where the hat is more visible, the clothing looks more "pseudo-Arabic" as a result, and the Major himself is smiling. (Although if I moved that image off that page I'd prefer to put it on a trope about fantastic romance...which also probably means Magical Girlfriend.)

edited 27th Nov '12 4:01:21 AM by MorganWick

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#12: Nov 27th 2012 at 4:08:50 AM

[up][up] It's not an absolute, but it's very much preferred that you have a suggestion for a replacement, especially for a trope page.

I'm not crazy about the animated GIF because there's nothing there to indicate genie-ness if you don't know the character. The static Aladdin pic is alright but there's something about it that's bugging me.

edited 27th Nov '12 4:10:46 AM by Willbyr

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#13: Nov 27th 2012 at 4:34:56 AM

^It doesn't do a very good job of demonstrating benevolentness either. He seems more like an annoying neighbor.

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#14: Nov 27th 2012 at 5:20:18 AM

I'm not crazy about the animated GIF because there's nothing there to indicate genie-ness if you don't know the character. The static Aladdin pic is alright but there's something about it that's bugging me.

Coz Aladdin is holding Jaffar's lamp, not the Genie, but otherwise it's a fine pic.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#15: Nov 27th 2012 at 5:28:06 AM

Well, I thought it could work as the Genie is trying to be friendly to them.

Of course, if you think it's difficult to tell if he's a genie, then well, I tried.

I don't really care if people voted "Keep Until Better Image Suggested" or something like that, as I know that other people's views are different than mine.

What I may do, is to try to get my point across (unless I either realize that I made a mistake or the others seem stubborn in their point of view about the picture).

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#16: Nov 27th 2012 at 1:27:21 PM

Making a replacement suggestion when you start an IP thread is so strongly preferred that it's effectively mandatory. If you don't, the implication is you think it's worse than nothing and should be removed regardless of whether a good alternative is found.

edited 27th Nov '12 1:27:55 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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#17: Nov 27th 2012 at 2:33:07 PM

You can't tell that it's Jafar's lamp from the picture and I think the current is hurting the page. I vote for a switch or at least taking down what is there. It seems like the OP does think it's worse than nothing. Correct me if I'm wrong Karjam P.

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#18: Nov 27th 2012 at 3:14:33 PM

Wow, I think saying that the current pic is _hurting_ the trope is really stretching.

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#19: Nov 27th 2012 at 3:23:02 PM

Someone needs to explain what this Image has to do with Genies.

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#20: Nov 27th 2012 at 3:25:04 PM

That's Jeannie from I Dream Of Jeannie. She is a genie. She's in love with her master, and is very benevolent and helpful to him. Thus, Benevolent Genie.

...Yeah, it's a bit of a tenuous connection, even if it is an example, considering the picture doesn't actually, well, illustrate it. Doesn't hurt it, being an actual example...but doesn't help it much.

Maybe it could be something like this image? Or at least something where the wish-granting creature is actively helping?

edited 27th Nov '12 3:29:48 PM by Raidouthe21st

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#21: Nov 27th 2012 at 3:34:42 PM

Did anyone look at the other Jeannie pics I suggested?

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#22: Nov 27th 2012 at 6:12:48 PM

I think they all pretty clearly say 'genie' but none of them say 'benevolent'.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#23: Nov 28th 2012 at 2:46:12 AM

To tell the truth, I don't think those implications when topic starters don't start suggestion are right.

I might still post threads without suggestions, though. Of course, me saying this doesn't mean I won't post suggestions.

About that picture, the only reason why I'm doing this is because JAFAAC pictures are against policy. Hey, I like rules, okay? tongue

Anyway, @Raidouthe21st, in context, Genie was just demonstrating his powers so that he can convince Aladdin that he's capable of doing that. He's not even granting any wishes.

Then again, the Genie IS enjoying grooming Aladdin, so...

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#24: Nov 28th 2012 at 3:15:43 AM

Honestly, the image in #20 makes me think Aladdin's probably thinking Stop Helping Me.

Ideally, an image would make it clear that the genie is genuinely trying to help. A lot of the suggested images could be construed as the genies being mischievous.

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#25: Nov 28th 2012 at 3:24:17 AM

Not sure what I should vote here - the argument in @2 not really comprehensible to me, and @20 relies on knowing the work.

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