"Girl Meets World" (Sequel Series to "Boy Meets World")

At the climax of "Angela's Ashes," She said "Let's not say goodbye, let's just say, I love you." Sure didn't sound like they were breaking up to me. It was more like Angela just going to be with her father instead of breaking up with Shawn. If anything it seemed like they were going to be in a long distance relationship, which failed apparently.

And I wasn't talking about Katy. I was talking about Maya, as the endgame seems to be Shawn and Katy being married so that Shawn can be Maya's father. So of course, Angela's obviously in the way of that. Thus, they need to find some way to remove her.

edited 18th Jun '15 3:24:32 PM by LLSmoothJ

Oh I wasn't talking about Katy there either. Regardless, I took it as a separation for the meantime instead of a long distance relationship personally.

"But for those of you who are hoping that Shawn and Angela's reunion will lead to a rekindled romance, creator Michael Jacobs warned that life doesn’t always give you happy endings. "We know that [Shawn's] relationship with Angela Moore was a very important relationship to the audience, but we also know something more which is that with Shawn, nothing good ever really happened to him," Jacobs explained to E Tonline earlier this year." Well I can already seeing this episode becoming a base breaker.

edited 18th Jun '15 3:53:54 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

My own hope? It ends with Maya having two mommies

You're a terrible, open-minded, person.

edited 19th Jun '15 10:56:11 AM by Lionheart0

Welp; Angela got married.

That entire episode description was misleading/a lie.

edited 19th Jun '15 6:03:37 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

I know this episode is going to make people angry but I thought, for what it's worth, the episode did have a strong message.

Must as people love to romanticize your "One True Love", sometimes in life you just don't end up with your first love, and that those experiences, both the good and bad, only prepare you for the future.

Personally I only have five words to describe this episode: Strangled by the Red String. Want more words? I got three: Derailing Love Interests. I know what the message this episode was trying to convey. But they way they did it was so infuriating. Angela shows up, basically to tell Shawn that she got married and then asks him for advice about how to deal with her dead father. And at the top of it all, Angela then basically becomes a Shipper on Deck for him and Katy in a way that would make Mary Jane Watson's shilling of Carlie Cooper being a good match for Peter Parker look believable. Hell, everyone, even Chet's ghost basically told Shawn that he needed to get together with Katy!

edited 20th Jun '15 2:26:14 PM by LLSmoothJ

Just watched it. Katie has enough character on her own, and they have enough chemistry on the screen, that all this shilling really isn't necessary. They're honestly wasting so much time on the shills that they aren't doing enough to develop the relationship in any one episode.

I totally forgot about the trope but I absolutely see it. It's a little too heavy-handed especially because of the excessive shipping and how everybody basically forces Shawn with Katy. Like, does he not get a say in this?

Also, a number of other forums have brought up some Fridge Logic, like why did Angela not go to Topanga for this advice, given how they were best friends? And how come nobody was invited to her wedding? In this day and age with Facebook and stuff, don't you think they'd at least have some sort of interaction between them?

One more thing: if we're assuming that this is currently happening in present day, wouldn't Lucas only have been 4 or 5 when he was "volunteering" with Katrina? That happened in 2005 (I know, I had to double-check the date myself because holy crap it was 10 years ago.)

Sometimes I feel like the writers need to remember to "show, not tell" the story. I feel it would help with the pacing.

edited 20th Jun '15 3:33:54 PM by somerndmguy

Also, Angela's return in all of this was ridiculously short.

Another thing, while it works for this series, having stopped and thought on it, Shawn & Maya's relationship in this episode would be kind creepy in anything else.

It's creepy period. It just works because we know the characters well enough to understand it and not jump on board the pervert train.

True enough there.

More I think on it, first Josh stuff and now various stuff with Shawn, I'm staring to think that Maya has an unhealthy attachment to the men in her life.

Also, Shawn is really being pressured into all of this big time. ...People getting pressured into stuff for Maya seems to be a reoccurring thing here...

That attachment is probably realistic. Her dad left the family, and her mom spent what was probably years sacrificing a real relationship with her just so that deadbeat didn't look bad to her. When both your parents either push you away or make it hard for you not to push them away, you get attached to people who can fill the gaps.

And that's fine. I guess it's just the fact that everybody in the show and everything in their universe is enabling this kind of behaviour that bothers me the most. It needs to be addressed, but it needs to be shown that this kind of behaviour isn't necessarily okay.

If there's a Very Special Episode sometime later this season that calls her out on that, I'll be okay with everything that's happened so far. Even Katy touched on it in "Hurricane" by mentioning that just because Shawn is being nice to Maya, it doesn't mean he needs to be nice to Katy. Though that fizzled out at the end of the episode.

I doubt they will. Other Disney shows have had weird/abusive characters like that, and they never got an episode devoted to telling everyone it's not okay to be that way.

Pretty much that's my only problem with it. It's just the fact it's enabling it and some stuff feeling really forced to make things better for her than it happening natural. I'd like to see things get better for her. I just want it to happen in a realistically healthy way.

Blake Clark still looks good for his age. I'm rewatching Hurricane right now. I still think the show pushes things out there too hard. Show us stuff, but don't have the side characters hammering on the point.

Upon another rewatch of Hurricane, I think I've hit on a theory that makes the episode a bit better. When Angela left, she gave Cory and the crew a look. Considering Cory's been known to scheme when it comes to Shawn's welfare in this show, he might have already been in touch with Angela, known her situation, and told her to come up for a visit.

I really do want to believe there was a lot of stuff that happened in the background with the adults, and that the writers are only focusing on Riley and Maya because they're supposed to be the stars of the show, not Cory, Topanga, and Shawn.

There probably is, and they want us watching for clues rather than being hit on the head with it all. These folks were all about subtext even in the original.

Some of them supported the interpretation of the boys being bi and being more than friends even while having girlfriends. While it's never likely to be said outright, because there ARE other people involved in their lives, it's safe to take Topanga's and Cory's reactions to Shawn as him being Cory's boyfriend. It doesn't have to be absolute, but the interpretation is acceptable.

It will never be said because, while there's nothing at all wrong with people being into their own sex, or both sexes, a children's and teens' channel isn't going to outright support polyamory any time soon.

I feel that "Mr. Squirrels Goes to Washington" is a pretty well-paced episode compared to most of the other ones. I never felt like the story was being rushed or slow during the entire episode.

I'm not American; however, I have the impression that the debate does not reflect a proper primary debate.

It doesn't. They're not supposed to interact with each other. Each one gets a short time to answer questions and they usually wind up bullshitting us with vagaries and not giving satisfying answers. Honestly, the debate system is shit. Like most of politics, really. Which is why they did this episode the way they did. To show that American politics really needs an overhaul.

And I'm getting a vibe from "New Teacher" that the writers are hinting that the public school system needs a new overhaul too.

Actually this episode was surprisingly great. I loved the writing (the episode was apparently written by Michael Jacobs himself, which would explain the reduced amount of zaniness and increased seriousness), the humour, the pacing, and Turner, of course. I really hope that after "Fish" (which was originally a Season 1 episode that got delayed and will likely have the problems from back then) that everybody finally is getting a good pace for the writing and the characters.

My hopes have been dashed in the past though...

edited 19th Jul '15 6:07:55 PM by somerndmguy

This last episode feels like a step backwards in maturity. Did we really need an episode about killing a class pet goldfish?

ETA: Right, so it IS a step backward. Here's to seeing the show move forward again!

edited 26th Jul '15 1:28:50 PM by Journeyman