Girls und Panzer

I like how the tanks are up and running after what amounts to a paint job.

So, if she's 120% accurate, does that mean she hits 6/5 targets per shot? Well, considering how discriminating she is, I don't see that as an impossibility, especially with what the first lesson is. And I still want to see what actually happens if one of them gets hit.

It's a little unusual to see contacts. That is, people actually using them and switching between them and glasses. More often it's just an excuse to have the character without glasses.

I wonder who Cat Ears, Peach Patch, and Big Boobs are. They seem significant.

That's what I said.

edited 16th Oct '12 10:01:01 AM by AnotherDuck

120% accuracy means she shot 5 times and hit 6, in other words, one of those 5 shots hit two tanks.

RE: Czech tanks

Of course they have their own tanks, that's what Skoda started with. Skoda's beginnings is akin to Porsche's, they started making tanks and other armored vehicles for their respective countries. Daimler-Benz avoided tanks though, but they made some armored recon vehicles.

Benz worked with Krupp on Lowe and VK 3002 DB, then combined the two for a Indien Panzer bid (Vickers won).

edited 16th Oct '12 8:49:09 AM by teslashark

...and D-B designed the losing design of what became the Panther tank (won by MAN). If you want a German vehicle manufacturer that didn't make tanks, try Opel.

Psst, he mentioned the VK3002DB.

Oops

What about changing name of thread from "Girls und Panzer" to just "Panzer"? It's obvious Fanservice can't oppose to mans REAL romance...

edited 16th Oct '12 9:03:15 AM by Tenzen12

Okey the second episode was really amusing...the kicks to steer cracked me up.

Avoided may have been the wrong term, but AFAIK D-B never made a tank. They had proposals/designs, but it never went into production. I'm basing this from the book about the Krupps though, and I've last read it years ago. Oh Alan Clark's Barbarossa talked about it too, but as I've said, they never made any tanks.

Another Duck: While the girls got the tanks cleaned, do remember that the Vice-President said that the Automotive Club will be handling the rest (which is to say the real grunt work of making the piles of junk move again), and I assume they had to do an all-nighter to do so.

And man, it's hard to not make comparisons to a mahjong series, especially after being introduced to the estranged big sister and having chibis for the ED animation.

edited 16th Oct '12 9:36:44 AM by MyssaRei

Fair enough, missed that. Great job for the time, though.

planes

If you mean "swedish-made fighters" then yes.

Episode 2: Considerably funnier than the previous one. I like the spunk of the ex-volleyball club, tank otaku girl's enthusiasm is infectious, kick-steering is hilarious, and the student council prez actually had made me laugh once. Still hoping the Panzer IV girls will go kick their asses.

The military nerd girl is humming "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye" or "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" when she unpacks her bag, anyone noticed?

Couple of amused thoughts: they didn't really need to gang up on the IVD, both the StuG and the Lee outmatch it by a fair margin.

This is actually a fairly realistic take on WW 2 tank combat, with the unlikely nature of a first-round hit on a moving target. Wrap your brain around that.

edited 17th Oct '12 12:46:19 AM by Night

Interesting, the Panzer IV surely have some advantage, like terrain versality or speed, I guess.

The two only outmatch it in one aspect, which incidentally is numbers. All three are tied with armaments as their main guns are all 75mm's, although the Lee has an additional 37mm gun. In everything else (especially in maneuverability) it's advantage Panzer IV. Especially since it's a forest area. Terrain is not flat too, so that's another disadvantage for the Stu G and the M3 Lee.

edited 17th Oct '12 2:14:29 AM by entropy13

That's about as simplistic an analysis as you could make. And a bad one. This isn't an IVH or something, this the the 1939/1940 IVD dealing with vehicles that are two years younger than it.

The L/24 on the IVD has the armor penetration characteristics of a thrown rock. It has 30mm armor on the glacis and 30mm the front turret, with 20mm on the sides.

The StuG has the vastly superior L/43 or L/48 high-velocity gun. The difference between the two is academic; either is capable of penetrating the frontal armor of an IVD from beyond two kilometers. It has 50mm plus an additional 30mm plate on the front glacis, or if it's a later G model, a single 80mm plate. There is a real possibility the IVD can't penetrate the front plating of a StuG at any range with standard ammunition. Side armor is 30mm thick and superior to the IVD's.

The Lee's own 75mm (either M2 or M3), while not that good, still develops sufficient velocity to penetrate the IVD at over 500 meters, and the 37mm gun is actually a threat to the IVD at any range where the German tank could realistically penetrate the Lee's sloped 51mm front armor. (The side 38mm is more reasonable, but still clearly superior to the IVD's own side armor.) There's plenty of evidence from North Africa that the Lee was more than capable of dealing with an IVD.

It's a Stu G III Ausf. F, which has the L/24. It's the Ausf. F/8 and Ausf. G that have the L/43 and L/48 respectively.

Oh lol it was actually the Type 89 (vball team) that fired at the Panzer IV, not the Lee, but their aiming skills with the 57mm leaves a lot to desire. It could match up in maneuverability but it's weak in firepower. Armor is practically non-existent. Watch the Type 89 be easily disabled, eventually blocking the way for the Stu G III Ausf. F and thus making the Stu G a sitting duck among the trees and would be disabled there without being able to fire back. It would also seem that the Panzer IV would be able to run towards the relatively open area, which would mean the other tanks, the Lee and the 38(t), would be waiting for it there. Expect the final showdown be between the German Pz. IV and the Czechoslovakian 38(t). As if it wasn't quite obvious already.

My thoughts on the crew:
Type 89 crew = willing but unskilled (they may be willing but it seems they didn't check up on helpful info)
Lee crew = inexperienced, but trying (they have access to some information at least)
Stu G crew = enthusiastic (Rommel, and iirc that is Sanada Yukimura's trademark red gear; they also mentioned Kenshin "God of War" Uesugi and said "Festina lente") but lacking in skill
Pz. IV crew = very skilled but reluctant (I expect their "tank kills" to be "reactive" and not "active")
38(t) crew = sufficiently skilled (I would think the VP and secretary knows what they're doing, but the Pres. is lazy so the "skill level" is not as high as it should be) and very willing (at least the Pres. is willing to fight at all though)

edited 17th Oct '12 3:35:09 AM by entropy13

Not surprising, since the Type 89 is basically a 1920s tank, influenced by the Vickers Medium Mk I.

I'm not joining in because I know nothing about the subject matter, but I love all the tank geeking that is going on here.

On a similar note, Yukari is awesome. Half shy stalker, half tank otaku, all fun.

I watched the first episode, and to tell the truth, considering that it's a Widget Series that doesn't take itself too seriously with a lot of gratuitously cool thing (a aircraft-carrier city, and I'm sure it doesn't stop here), the fact that to be a proper lady you have to pilot tanks (and it seems to be worldwide, it's like Yu Gi Oh for girls IN TANKS!) I considered So Okay, It's Average. I used the Brazilian dub, so no German, although I liked their work.

These days I attempted to watch Ghanaian movies, even added some entries here, and the problem is that the awesome scenes of trailers are intercalated by lots and lots of talking and it felt like that for me. But I guess this has something to do with the characters^note I must say that personally I value characterization more than other trait, so it's something subjective, they didn't seem interesting to me, Miho seems to repeat some clichés of the refusal of the call because I have a secret, the absurdely powerful student council (this is simply a trope that doesn't appeal to me, it doesn't enter in my head how student council works, I and my colleagues didn't even know what a student council was until I was 20 (I'm exaggerating, it was until I was 18), so the part of the "absurd" makes more sense than "powerful" to me) those two girls that instantly become BFFs (the scene during the student council reunion was kinda funny in another way, but if this were a fanfic, I'm sure that in the reviews section, she would be dennounced as a mary sue). On the other hand, I still have to watch episode 2, perhaps it can get better.

Someone said "Putting people in WWII-era tanks up against modern ones feels a bit unfair..." You obviously didn't play Air Force Delta Strike, hehe

edited 21st Oct '12 7:10:07 AM by RN452

For some reason watching this show makes me keep thinking of a Super Robot Wars attack sequence. With tanks.

i hated using the M3 Lee in World of Tanks, so i kinda feel sorry for the freshman girls operating it

This is Sturmgeschutz III with the L/24. An Ausf. A, admittedly, but it's not like the gun's gonna get longer without being, y'know, a different gun.◊

It's an F/8 if it's an F at all. The gun length denies any other reasonable explanation.