The Amazing Spider-Man 2

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You're supposed to use spoiler spaces. ALL. THE. TIME.

Why would you write that? Why?

edited 24th Apr '14 10:30:57 AM by HandsomeRob

Jesus, look at the RT score. Marvel Studios is Spider-Man's only hope for maximum spider excellence now.

If Sony can't make new Spider-Man films that blow their previous efforts out of the water, the exercise of a reboot is pointless.

They might as well give up and give back Spider-Man to the one studio who can consistently make better-received Marvel films than the rest; Marvel films which enjoy fan support like no other, with none of the backbiting that has plagued the Spider-Man movie fanbase since the reboot was announced.

If Spider-Man goes MCU, the Raimi-only fans will finally be forced to Deal With It, and many MCU fans will get what they've always wanted.

edited 24th Apr '14 9:42:00 PM by fusilcontrafusil

The score is still 76%. That's about the same range as Thor, Thor 2, Captain America 1, and Iron Man 3. Besides, Sony will only give back Spider-Man if it fails to make back any substantial money, which is probably not going to happen.

edited 24th Apr '14 8:52:20 PM by Tuckerscreator

Spider-Man is Marvel's flagship character, he should get 90% and above scores. The best rated Spider-Man is the one where his powers malfunction like male impotence. It's all so embarrassing.

The MCU should be able to fix that, after they earned their pedigree and goodwill with Avengers and Winter Soldier.

Spider-Man has been giving diminishing returns critically and financially for Sony. It's only a matter of time - but then I fear for the superhero movie bubble bursting.

A lot of people, dare I say most, don't want this franchise to continue. Out of all Marvel films, the MCU has the strongest collective fan and critical support. Ergo, either retire Spider-Man so people can rewatch Raimi forever or put Spider-Man in the MCU where they can and will surpass him by the power of Kevin Feige.

edited 24th Apr '14 9:43:59 PM by fusilcontrafusil

Can't people rewatch the Raimi movies forever anyway?

No. We may only hold three Spider-man movies in our brains at once. So until ASM 3 comes out people will only remember the third Raimi film.

edited 25th Apr '14 3:27:16 AM by absolclaw

No. Progress is the way of the world. Excelsior.

Marvel Studios has already surpassed them with their own efforts.

Spidey needs to come home, so the best Marvel movie maker can have the best Marvel character.

Also, Spider-impotence, lol

edited 25th Apr '14 3:53:12 AM by fusilcontrafusil

Personally, I think Sony's done a better job with Spider-man than MARVEL studios could. Of course that's just my opinion, but damn, where would MARVEL fit those movies into it's slate?

And Spider-man as a character has little to gain from a lager marvel universe as his rouges gallery and expanded cast are huge and are all designed to benefit complement him. Sony is giving Spider-man and entire setting a mythos tailored to cater to his storytelling and no one else; I would hate for that to be lost only for Peter to be jammed into a nearly decade old universe built with no intention for him to exist in it.

Spider-man's stomping ground is New York city, which is also the home to the four character's we're awaiting in The Defenders I really don't want them or Spidey to exist for the other's benefit

It seems to me Sony is giving us the concise world of Spectacular Spider-man, but MARVEL would give us the vast world of Ultimate Spider-man. I prefer the former.

Also, Amazing Spider-man 2 is a great film. It's got one too many story lines, but it's look and feel were far from what the MCU gives us, it's vibrant and colourful and has an attention to spectacle. It's a film which I'd be hard pressed to imagine MARVEL studios making at the moment.

Sony can also make these films really regularly, and competitively with MARVEL's slate. Which means all the more for me to enjoy.

Further more, to be realistic, what would MARVEL do with Spider-man if it had already been rebooted two times in recent history?

Put him in the Avengers, which is all I ever hear anyone say about Disney getting the film rights to Spidey.

I don't think the Avengers needs Spidey, nor Spidey needs the Avengers.

Saying that, we've only had one Avenger's movie so far, in a few years time we could be a very different place with them and Spidey might be perfect for them. But at the moment I'm reluctant to interfere with the great dynamic we have at the moment.

It is worth noting that Sony have said it's not impossible for a cross over film, but will happen (if at all) when they run out of momentum in their own story lines. I like the idea of Spidey having a film or two more to finish learning super heroism the hard way before joining a team. What I don't like about a young Peter Parker having access to Nick Fury is that it makes it all too easy for him; it looses the aspect of a kid learning by trial and error. But I would love to see him one day reap the rewards of his own hard earned work by joining the big leagues.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Marvel said that just because they get rights back doesn't guarantee they'll actually use them?

I mean, they got the rights to Daredevil back, but chose not to make another movie because the general public hated the Affleck film. That was more than a decade ago and they still think the well's too dirty to drink from.

Nah, they did decide to use him. They just aren't using him for a movie. Given how relatively recently they got the rights back, I'm pretty sure they were discussing options and plans more or less from the moment the rights came back.

Affleck or not, I still making another Daredevil movie makes more sense than making a freaking Ant-Man movie. At least the former has a rich mythology of his own to drink from.

edited 25th Apr '14 3:36:50 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

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I'm taken aback by that as well.

The first two Raimi Spider Man films were good. The only criticism I have is that Peter didn't smack talk as much as I thought he should, but even that was understandable given the situations he found himself in. Peter's got snark, sure, but he gets serious when he needs to be. For a feature film, they found the right balance.

Aunt May was the right age, Goblin looked like Goblin, Peter went from awkward teenager to hero, New Yorkers got their five minutes of fame, we got a reference to the Who Killed Gwen Stacy arc now that I think about it. The only bust was the lack of supervillains - still, the Doc Ock fight in 2 is still the number one superhero-supervillain throwdown I've ever witnessed on the big screen.

I mean look at this shit. Avengers, Batman, Man of Steel, Hulk - ain't got nothing on this.

I don't have anything personal against AMS, in fact, I'll probably get around to seeing AMS-2 at some point to see Electro, but I've been overexposed to Spider Man since I was a kid. The Spider Mancentric universe just isn't interesting to me anymore. Unless they start dipping into the alternate continuities like Day M or Spiderman Reign, I'm bored with the image of Peter zipping through New York, at the Bugle, picking on lowly thugs. I want to see him visit the Fantastic Four, deal with Nick Fury, meet the Beyonder, etc. Yeah, that's not going to happen.

edited 25th Apr '14 8:01:11 PM by Soble

The thing about Spider-Man is that most people agree he has one of the best Rogues Galleries, second only (or equal) to Batman. Thus you have a rich number of options to build a franchise around this one specific character and his interesting villains. The Marvel Cinematic Universe took a bunch of B-list heroes and made them compelling by putting them in each others world (In terms of recognizability, before the movies Iron Man was a B level hero, and despite being an A level comic Hulk was never quite made for A level movies).

I think Spider-Man could have made a fantastic Shared Universe with Daredevil and the Fantastic Four, just leave the Avengers out of the equation. Too many stories going on in the same universe make you question where someone is during an End of the World scenario (or just any society changing event in general), just see the justification for War Machine's absence in Avengers. It's an issue in both Marvel and DC universes, but probably worse in Marvel because a third of their universe is about mutant rights, while the other two thirds are about people who are technically not mutants but are empowered in some way like Hulk and Spider-Man and should be a part of that same discussion.

Andrew Garfield on passing the mantle to Miles Morales

edited 28th Apr '14 4:12:17 PM by VeryMelon

That's interesting. Rather than necessarily wanting Peter to die and Miles to take his place, he wants there to be a connection between them - maybe a Passing the Torch / The Obi-Wan-type relationship? Pretty neat, though I hope they don't do that too soon.

Though... how much input does Garfield have on the direction the series takes? I know some series do deeply involve actor input in their writing, but I don't know how much they do it here. Garfield tends to acts like the face of the movies' development, so I guess he's got a lot to do with it.

I doubt he has much influence...but then again there have been talks of them wanting to do more spin-offs and Garfield possibly not returning after ASM 3. So that could be a way to do it.

Plus it essentially allows Sony to do a soft reboot without having to do another fucking Peter Parker origin rehash once Garfield leaves someday.

edited 28th Apr '14 5:27:04 PM by comicwriter

With the bad guys not dying needlessly at the end of every film, they wouldn't have to reboot for that reason either.

I'm still disappointed they killed Doc Ock at the end of two, mostly because of the way his Redemption Equals Death scene was framed. It all just came off as so... pointless.

• Octavius: "I will not die a monster!"
• Universe: "Nope."
• Octavius: "Noooo!"

edited 29th Apr '14 1:16:36 AM by KnownUnknown

Well, he didn't die a monster. He made the choice. The choice to save people.

Wasn't Spidey an Avenger in the comics?

Only in recent years. And even then, it was only for a short time.

edited 29th Apr '14 7:20:58 AM by SaintDeltora

So? Why do we need to follow the comics exactly? The comics are fucking stupid in a lot of ways, and I would prefer the cinematic universe to take as many liberties as it needs in order to better the characters and actually bring life to it all in a way that isn't copying the comics without any effort or thought to any of it.

Basically, fuck the "but it was that way in the comics! justification. It's so annoying and whiny I just can't even.