The Amazing Spider-Man 2

Who, Peter Parker, Ben Reilly, or Miles Morales? Peter Parker has a fairly strong no-killing policy, but I suspect if he actually did have a *legitimate* "kill the bad guy or else people die now" situation, he'd do it and only angst about it afterwards. He's basically in about the same place as Captain America is in the present day, except with greater personal capacity relative to a lot of his challenges.

Didn't he actually try to kill Norman Osborn at the end of the Clone Saga?

I seem to remember there was a time when Peter as Spider-Man had to do a return-to-sender move with a rocket launcher(during the '90s nonsense with Solo, IIRC) and he felt bad about it afterwards, but other options were lacking.

He's had a couple cases where he spent some time *trying* to kill Osborne, but IIRC, he's always regained control of himself before actually doing so. I only count such against a Cv K if its alleged to be the strongest kind possible, like with Batman.

Save your time and your money. It's not going to be worth it.

Seriously? Not even a trailer is out. God, people have such huge irrational hateboners for this series.

This film has my support for sure.

I have never seen a more Broken Base.

ASM does seem like the most divisive comic book film in some time, if just for the wide range of responses to it.

Well I suppose it was different enough from that other Spider-man movie to justify saying it wasn't the same thing twice, but it really wasn't anything new to anyone who's become familiar with Spider-man and the idea of a making a movie closer to the comics they won't even promote is laughable. I have the comics and this movie wasn't any closer to them than the last trilogy, not that I was interested in seeing the same thing for the fifth time, not that it was any good on its own merits.

I think Spider-man would be better off just taking a break when looking at the decline of his films and the decay of his related comics. How about the next Amazing Fantasy re-release star some new, different inspired character like Spider-man used to be, the cows getting dry.

Well, if they did that, Fox would have to give their rights back.
We can't have that, now can we? ^__^
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So in other words you just don't like spider-man anymore.

Well there is such a thing as media over-saturation. I'm of the opinion that there's just too much Batman floating around, for instance. I don't agree that Spiderman fits here, though I do believe Spiderman should probably wait a few years, default back to its rightful owners, and then come back without an explicit origin story.

No, I just don't think much of what he's been in lately has been any good. Okay, maybe that does count as not liking Spider-man more. It is hard to argue against it.

But Marvel keeps redoing amazing fantasy, to cash in on him. Here's the secret history you didn't know about. Here's spider-man as a high school girl(thankfully they didn't actually go through with it...at first), here's Spider-man making a deal with the devil. Here's Spider-man's arch nemesis being praised by all the people he black mailed and defecated on. Here's the new brain eating toxin because enough supporting characters weren't screwed. Here are plummeting sales!

The sandman movie wasn't exactly a hit either. Apparently the problem was not being enough like the comic, keep in mind where the comic has been lately, so Sony claims the next movie will be more faithful and it isn't. What it gains in web shooters(which is not a lot since they never made much sense to start) and quips it loses on characterization that isn't even sensible in its own flimsy plot. Spider-man taking a break from mainstream Marvel just seems like the thing to do right now.

It won't stop Ultimate Marvel from keeping on, nor any number of cartoons, video games or newspaper strips but it will cut down on the number of bad things he will be in and hopefully open the door to something new. Like the Amazing Fantasy, Spider-man's first two movies were partially successful because they were kind of fresh at the time.

Bring in Greg Weisman to write a light-hearted, well-written actually FUN Spider-Man movie. That'd be the best way to make people start caring about Spidey again. Actually make his movies a fun experience, like Spectacular Spider-Man was. Too many heroes already take themselves too seriously, we don't need one of the most light-hearted characters in comics to be the same way.

Spider-Man is no Berserk but I still don't think it's one of the most lighthearted comics ever.

Has he ever written a movie, though? As far as I know, his most noted works are all animated series, and series have more time to flesh things out and include plenty of action scenes if necessary for the genre. A movie operates on different principles, especially a live action one.

This.

I thought Amazing was light enough considering the source material, in any case.

Never written a movie.

Well in that case, I'm not too sure if he'd be the best choice.

i meant Ben Reilly.

also Cider i do not known... i thought the characterizations were the strongest point of ASM.

edited 10th Oct '12 5:59:30 AM by SaintDeltora

I don't know, would a suddenly cocky Peter Parker who dominates in basketball, making no effort to hide his super agility and strength be considered good characterization? If so I'll start writing movie scripts.

Peter dominating in basket ball was tantamount to him using his powers for a bit of wish fulfillment to get back at the bully who's been making his life hell. It's arguably even less conspicuous than some of the other stuff Peter's done in that vein over the various versions of the character, and it's really just a very bit thing he does before realizing that that sort of thing isn't helping any one. As a matter of fact, the whole gym staring at him seems to be part of what made it sink in that he crossed a line.

In short, moving past doing stuff like that is part of his character development.

With great power comes that great power going to your head when you're still drunk off it. Absolutely.

Besides, if you got superpowers and had self-esteem as low as Peter Parker's clearly was, wouldn't you at least entertain the idea of using those powers (in a slightly subtle manner but not overly so) to get back at people and show off in an effort to win friends and influence people?

edited 10th Oct '12 12:43:25 PM by 0dd1

Shailene Woodley is in talks to play Mary Jane.

Me, maybe, probably. Peter's supposedly smart, really smart. Layup, pass, steal, don't shatter the backboard! The other Spider-man movie had him handle his 'bully' a lot better. Having him smartly or at least more subtly handle things would have been more satisfying.

The basketball scene seemed like Peter getting some bit payback on Thompson for himself and the girl who's banner got ruined by Flash knocking over the paintcan (which he didn't even apologize for). It fit in with the arc of Parker gradually realizing what it means to actually use his powers responsibly (initially to humiliate bullies, then to go after petty criminals out of a quest for revenge, then finally to legitimately help people).

edited 10th Oct '12 1:50:04 PM by BorneAgain