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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#3876: May 24th 2017 at 9:35:40 PM

Good lord how happy that version would have made me.

I mean, keep Ashi alive because I liked her characterization from Episodes 3 to 6.

I don't know how you could have crammed her and the Scotsman into Jack's party but that alternate version - with the Guardian alive and ready for round 2, Scotsman pulling Jack out of his funk, Jack getting zapped into his kingly threads...

Dang, the gods would have been the perfect opportunity to put him in those clothes too - restoring his mortality or some biz.

If I could change anything I wanted:

     

  • Kill Scaramouche in the first episode. His antics were funny but unnecessary.
  • Somehow fuse Episode 1 and 2, maybe just end with Jack flying off his motorcycle because of the Sister's trap.
  • Episode 2 covers most of the fight but ends with Jack on the shore/by the cave.
  • Less time inside of the giant worm - the joke was that Jack is so accustomed to the weird monsters in this world that he immediately says to Ashi that he'll figure a way out. The bleakness of Jack's current state should be slowly thawing around this point as he finally has human contact, albeit, with someone who wants him dead.
    • With less time inside of the worm maybe make the halfway point feature Ashi realizing Jack isn't so bad. Then do the whole City of Aku montage until the end.
  • Stitch Episodes 5 and 6 together - starts with Jack and Ashi fleeing/captured, Ashi shuts off the machine, Jack leaves, Ashi meets the woolies and the ravers. Skip the waterfall bathing - titillating it might have been, necessary it wasn't. Ghost Samurai fight, boom, "time to find my sword."

And somewhere down the line just have Scotsman show up and berate Jack in his noncorporeal form instead of that Jack and Ashi episode. Heck, keep the alien ship and Ashi getting possessed, just revive the Guardian, have him rebuild the portal for Jack after an awesome fight for the back half of Episode 8 or 9. Then Jack jumps in....

...only for Aku to dick him over again and pull him back in. The "time energies" recognize Jack as some kind of immortal freak and begin to restore him to his classic appearance, but then Aku just jams his hand into the portal and snatches Jack out of it. There, I get to have my cake and eat it at the same time - the Guardian's prophecy only says that Jack will best him and use the portal, not what happens afterward. And then we can have Ashi go full Aku and try to kill Jack - Guardian tries to fight Aku and gets squashed. Boom, broken glasses in the sand, just to re-emphasize how serious this season is, Anyone Can Die.

And then just power through to the finale. Everything else, the imagery, the sadness, the tree, Jack smiling at the ladybug, perfect.

edited 24th May '17 9:47:05 PM by Soble

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#3877: May 24th 2017 at 9:53:27 PM

That version makes me want to barf rainbows with how sickly sweet it is. I'll stick with the version we got, thank you.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#3878: May 24th 2017 at 10:12:39 PM

Yeah, that struck me less as "interesting" and more "wish-fulfillment". Well, I should take that back, wish-fulfillment can be interesting if done right. That was not.

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#3879: May 24th 2017 at 10:43:46 PM

I do like it being the Scotsman who brings Jack out of his funk...and that he spends the rest of the day introducing his many, many daughters to him.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#3880: May 25th 2017 at 12:04:25 AM

Yeah, the one thing I like from that Fix Fic is the idea that Scotsman helps Jack return. He should've had some impact on Jack's coming back, even if Ashi's help still did most of the legwork, and maybe then they could've also foreshadowed his magic being able to drive back Aku's to an extent.

Speaking of which, here's my totally serious idea for an alternate ending.

  • Jack sits underneath the tree, still grieving the loss of Ashi and trying - with some success - to meditate and clear his thoughts. Suddenly, a flash of light shines behind him, and a familiar ghostly figure steps out of the ether.
  • Scotsman: "Ye done sulking, Samurai?"
  • Jack (whipping around): "My friend! But how? Are you really here?"
  • Scotsman: "In the transparent flesh!"
  • Jack: "But then, how is it that you were able to come to my time period?"
  • Scotsman: "Celtic magic, laddie!"
  • Jack: "... could you have used that all along?"
  • Scotsman (shrugging): "Nah."
  • Jack (also shrugging): "Fair enough. Then why have you come? Has erasure of Aku from the timeline left you displaced and lost to time, like my beloved Ashi?"
  • Scotsman: "Your beloved who, now? Naw. Our future is fine. Never better, actually. It's your future I'm worried about."
  • Jack: "Why? Do I turn out to be dishonorable, or something?"
  • Scotsman: "Shut it and let me talk, ye numpty! You turn out fine too. It's your descendants, Jack! Something's got to be done about your descendants! Let's go!" (Yanks Jack's arm and starts pulling him into action)
  • Jack (resisting): "But wait! We must find a time portal!"
  • Scotsman: "Portal? Ha! Where we're going, we don't need portals!"
  • Epic bagpipe cover of the Back To The Future Theme plays as the two disappear in a flash of Celtic awesomeness.
  • WATCH OUT!

Also, somewhere in this insanity this should happen.

  • Jack: "Great Scott!"
  • Scotsman: "Aye? What is it? Spit it out, I'm busy!" (cut to shot of him holding a boulder for no reason) "This is heavy!"

edited 25th May '17 12:11:53 AM by KnownUnknown

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#3881: May 25th 2017 at 12:52:47 AM

But what if Jack is still immortal, and in future he will meet everyone again, because screw realism, and everyone is fine and dandy except for Ashi of course,and then he meets her non-Aku-workshipping mother and he doesn't even know who she is, except that she reminds him of someone...

And about ending, I think if Ashi was suppose to come back, then she might as well never die in first place. And I wouldn't call it fridging, no more then I can call changing past dropping bridge at pretty much everyone else. I wouldn't call it fully satisfying finale, but then again series finales very rarely are, to me at least.

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#3882: May 25th 2017 at 2:34:02 AM

Eh, only think I can complain about is that this was too rushed. If only it had been two seasons. First should have ended with the fight with the Omen.

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#3883: May 25th 2017 at 5:46:44 AM

I'd keep everything intact, just change Ashi back to her episodes 5-6 personality and have her disappear earlier. Jack meets his parents and is noticeably forlorn. Afterwards, he goes alone to the forest and slumps against that cherry blossom tree, like before. When the ladybug arrives, he flashes back to his friends, notably Ashi and the Scotsman. Slowly, he gets up and releases it, a smile on his face. As the background fills up, visions of his allies stand beside him. Cue credits.

It's been 3000 years…
Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#3884: May 25th 2017 at 6:24:28 AM

What was everyone's favorite Ashi design? It's kinda weird how she kept jumping from one to another. I guess leaf suit is closest to default.

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#3885: May 25th 2017 at 6:45:06 AM

Daughters of Aku Ashi will always have the most ass to me.

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#3886: May 25th 2017 at 7:17:35 AM

I figured Ashi's constant changing between designs was for the same reason Jack keeps changing between designs: fanservice.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#3887: May 25th 2017 at 7:25:59 AM

What was everyone's favorite Ashi design?

Daughter of Aku look was the best. I actually didn't see the shot of her lying down while wrapped up in chains until after the episode had aired, and the leaf suit was more fanservice-y. Plus the Kusaragima was an awesome weapon.

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#3888: May 25th 2017 at 7:49:35 AM

My favorite Ashi outfit is probably the outfit she wears between the Lazarus fight and Aku showing up.

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Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#3889: May 25th 2017 at 9:27:48 AM

Like I said, none of us can say that Genndy's version of the finale is wrong- its his story to tell. But by that same token, nobody's alternate version is wrong either. Are they wish fulfillment? Yes, but that doesn't automatically make them wrong. You can judge their quality (objectively) but just because you don't like them doesn't make them 'wrong' -in the end, they are just individual takes, and none of us has more right to that than any other.

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#3890: May 25th 2017 at 10:13:07 AM

My objection to the finale is that the outcome felt rather disjointed from the rest of the season. It heavily built up Jack's impact on the Bad Future and gave him ties to it only to Ret-Gone it, which felt like a waste. As the season was up to episode 9 I would have preferred a Bittersweet Ending in which Jack remains trapped in the past, and makes peace with the spirits of his ancestors and family after vanquishing Aku.

Or alternatively, if Jack does make it back, multiple timelines in which the Bad Future continues to exist forcing Ashi and Jack to part ways would be my preference. Because the Samurai Aku gag sort of becoming canon would be absolutely awesome in so many ways.

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#3891: May 25th 2017 at 10:55:10 AM

[up] I think you meant to type "trapped in the future".

I also would've liked to see "multiple timelines/universes" where Jack destroyed Aku in both the future and the past, so that the people living in both worlds could've been saved without sacrificing one group for the other.

edited 25th May '17 10:59:40 AM by AHI-3000

FrozenWolf2 Since: Mar, 2013
#3892: May 25th 2017 at 2:15:46 PM

...

<.<

>.>

I liked the ending. I kinda figure Future Aku and Jack would have a definitive final fight... but kinda loled at Aku's "Ohhh no" upon realizing he's ****ed

Kinda bittersweet but Works for me.

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#3893: May 25th 2017 at 3:12:43 PM

Greg Baldwin says he'll sing Frank Sinatra's "My Way" in Aku's voice if he reaches 10.000 followers.

He currently has 7.800 followers.

Get the entire population of tvtropes to follow him

Right now

edited 25th May '17 3:13:29 PM by Gaon

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#3896: May 25th 2017 at 4:22:11 PM

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#3898: May 25th 2017 at 6:04:24 PM

You're missing out. A ton of actors often live-tweet during shows they appear in!

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#3899: May 25th 2017 at 8:29:25 PM

You are not missing anything on Twitter.

Celebrity drama and Trump-tweets. :(

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#3900: May 25th 2017 at 9:21:23 PM

I don't have Twitter either (nor Facebook, nor any kind of social web account for that matter). I just don't see the point. Though I'd love to see Baldwin's cover song on YouTube.


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