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Anura from England (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#5926: Feb 18th 2015 at 1:15:02 PM

Hm. It occurs to me that the broods in DTK will be the two allied colours of each clan... and a "rebel faction" with that pair's enemy colour will also exist for each brood.

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Elfive Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5927: Feb 18th 2015 at 1:45:11 PM

And the FR Khans are usable in either. Brilliant!

Anura from England (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#5928: Feb 18th 2015 at 3:34:45 PM

I wondered what a pure red Jeskai would be like, and an army of shounen protagonists came to mind. I can't imagine what any of the other clans might be like with only the enemy colour.

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#5929: Feb 18th 2015 at 3:49:53 PM

I doubt the Sultai would change much.

Lightblade The Shrouded Knight from Philadelphia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
The Shrouded Knight
#5930: Feb 18th 2015 at 4:54:58 PM

Well, this is an interesting development. At first I defaulted to Ojutai as my favorite of the brood leaders due to matching the colors I most identify with, but after this story and his order to Un-person the Jeskai, I lost some respect for him. Granted, most of the other brood leaders are doing it to their respective clans, too, but it just felt more personal coming from the dragon I'm building my next Commander deck for.

Un-personing in general is something that flies in the face of my worldview regarding knowledge; that people should know the truth of the world for what it is, and if they don't like the state of the world, they should work toward making the world a better place, rather than trying to flee from unpleasant truths or hide them from others. Even past events that one personally finds unpleasant can still have things to teach us, and refusing to acknowledge that they happened is to deny oneself that opportunity. As The Fourth Doctor once said ...

The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views.

... and un-personing and other forms of deception are the stupid person's way of doing it.

Also, I don't fully understand what happened between Alesha and Kolaghan, but the fact that Kolaghan's not lording her superiority over what's left of the clans like the other brood leaders earns her some points in my book. Still, it doesn't bode well for Tarkir that the brood leader I find most sympathetic is the one that shares its colors with the Cult of Rakdos.

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Anura from England (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#5931: Feb 18th 2015 at 5:09:35 PM

I find the (somewhat) positive version of Red/Black to be rather refreshing, actually, and Reddit seems to agree. No colour or colour combination is inherantly evil, after all.

Although Temur is still my favourite clan even after losing Blue, the colour I most identify with.

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entropy13 わからない from Somewhere only we know. Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#5932: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:53:33 PM

lol so I still ended up having the khan of Abzan because I have a Dragonscale General (I also have Daghatar and Dromorka in my deck), and besides the URG khans, I have all of the cards with their art featured.

edited 18th Feb '15 6:56:54 PM by entropy13

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ImperialSunlight A Practical Observer from Tolaria West Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#5933: Feb 18th 2015 at 8:32:02 PM

Hmm. Perhaps it's that I have a more forward-thinking attitude (not necessarily a good attitude, but one that I have). I would have expected the WU dragon to be slow and stuck in the past, but its irreverence impresses me. But I'd prefer a structured, somewhat ignorant peace under Ojutai than randomly running around with Kolaghan for no reason, feeding Atarka, being anywhere near Silumgar (Who seems to somehow out-"obviously evil" the Sultai) or anything to do with Dromoka (since I personally have an extreme semi-rational hatred for WG).

That said, I also don't really like allied colors that much. I'd almost certainly like a RW, RU or WB dragon (things that will very likely exist even if Dt K is primarily allied) much more.

And I agree with sentiments that Dragons of Tarkir is shaping up to possibly be kind of boring, but it being about dragons and the buildup from the other sets at least makes me very interested to see how it turns out.

edited 18th Feb '15 8:44:48 PM by ImperialSunlight

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TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#5934: Feb 18th 2015 at 9:07:34 PM

Also, I don't fully understand what happened between Alesha and Kolaghan, but the fact that Kolaghan's not lording her superiority over what's left of the clans like the other brood leaders earns her some points in my book. Still, it doesn't bode well for Tarkir that the brood leader I find most sympathetic is the one that shares its colors with the Cult of Rakdos.

While 'first impression' is admittedly a strong impression, I think if people are trying to make out Kolaghan to be the 'good' dragon of the five, they're setting themselves up for disappointment. They may not be explicitly lording their superiority over the Mardu yet, but I think things are going to take a major turn for the worst sooner rather than later.

From what was observed, it gave the idea that they "just" need to 'keep up', which I think is going to hit the Mardu with a major case of 'survival of the fittest' situation.

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#5935: Feb 18th 2015 at 10:38:23 PM

I think Kolaghan just isn't trying to conquer the Mardu because ruling would be boring, and BR is a colour combination that doesn't deal well with boring requirements.

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Elfive Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5936: Feb 19th 2015 at 1:10:11 AM

The thing to remember is that DTK isn't going to deal with the dragons just lording over the humans for the whole thing. It's set back in the present, when Ugin is due to wake up, and Sarkhan might show up, and a whole bunch of other stuff.

It's going to deal with the end of the "boring status quo" we're seeing the beginning of here.

TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#5937: Feb 20th 2015 at 10:14:32 PM

Worth considering, and this really should have been obvious in hindsight - it really doesn't matter what state Ugin is in when he wakes up as far as the Dragons are concerned, because in the end he holds the ultimate trump card since they quite literally depend on Ugin for their continued survival.

edited 20th Feb '15 10:14:48 PM by TheSpaceJawa

TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#5938: Feb 24th 2015 at 8:12:56 AM

News on the Dragons of Tarkir prerelease bonus.

Personally, I'm wishing there was an inverse dragonslaying option somehow.

IrishZombie Since: Dec, 2009
#5939: Feb 24th 2015 at 8:27:20 AM

It looks like playing pinball with a Stratego board.

MiVaTh Mi Va Th from Netherlands Since: Nov, 2010
#5940: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:29:19 AM

That looks like a neat way to score some extra stuff, and those are some sweet dice!

TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#5941: Feb 25th 2015 at 8:41:40 AM

Our first look at the the new Tarkir.

Including leaving the ultimate fate of Narset a mystery (because of course they're not going to give that away right off the bat).

However, it also suggests she's still Jeskai Classic. So here's hoping she's not dead permanently!

Of course, then there's this...

edited 25th Feb '15 8:48:20 AM by TheSpaceJawa

BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#5942: Feb 25th 2015 at 9:36:10 AM

Well it's quite good to see that Sarkahn wasn't regoned by his interference in the past.

I going to bet not only is Narset Jeskai classic, but she's also a dragonslayer and going to be the second tricolor Planeswalker.

edited 25th Feb '15 9:38:37 AM by BigMadDraco

Anura from England (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#5943: Feb 25th 2015 at 9:44:39 AM

Meanwhile, Sorin's all like:

"Oh, so Ugin's long dead, guess I'll have to deal with the Eldrazi mysel-" *TIME WHOOSH* "WHY IS EVERYTHING SUDDENLY SO DIFFERENT SUDDENLY?"

Y'see, my theory is that planeswalkers are immune to changes to history. Ugin's kind of a big hole there, but he was dead in the original timeline, so maybe he didn't "count" until after the change. As for Narset, either she's the leader of the Jeskai rebels (because I still think there'll be rebels for each clan, so she'll be red now), OR she remembers the old Tarkir and was declared a heretic for babbling nonsense about dead dragons.

edited 25th Feb '15 9:47:10 AM by Anura

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ImperialSunlight A Practical Observer from Tolaria West Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
A Practical Observer
#5944: Feb 25th 2015 at 10:43:45 AM

Notably, her forehead symbol is still the regular Jeskai symbol, unlike other monks we see in the art so far who have no forehead symbols.

Also, it seems Taigam didn't defect in this timeline. Interesting. I'll bet there's a card like "Taigam's Devotion" or something.

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windweaver Since: Nov, 2011
#5945: Feb 25th 2015 at 12:12:54 PM

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I had a similar idea except it relied on Narset having her spark ignite when Zurgo slashed her in the other story and whisking her away before the timeline stuff changed. However, although the timeline changes are localized to Tarkir, walkers who visited the plane in a period affected by the change would have their memories and history altered with Sarkhan being the exception as the source of the change.

One of the storyline historians pointed this out to me on a different site. It seems perfectly plausible to me assuming that information is correct, that this is a slightly different Narset.

Elfive Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5946: Feb 25th 2015 at 1:44:18 PM

My guess: new Narset was up for execution, her spark ignited and she got the original Narset's memories dumped in her head. Or they'll unlock when she meets Sarkhan or something.

Also Sarkhan might be a legendary figure among the not-Temur now, so it will be interesting to see what happens when he meets them.

windweaver Since: Nov, 2011
#5947: Feb 25th 2015 at 2:49:43 PM

That's right Yasova left something with the marking of a guy who could turn into a dragon with a reference to Sarkhan or something along those lines on it. Oooooooh this'll be interesting.

Lightblade The Shrouded Knight from Philadelphia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
The Shrouded Knight
#5948: Feb 25th 2015 at 3:24:06 PM

And there's also the scrolls Shu Yun hid. Maybe finding them is what led Narset to being branded a heretic?

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Anura from England (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#5949: Feb 25th 2015 at 3:25:07 PM

Maybe I should read Time Streams again. Was Urza affected when Karn changed the past?

A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never sit in.
entropy13 わからない from Somewhere only we know. Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#5950: Feb 25th 2015 at 7:27:51 PM

Urza wasn't personally affected by Karn's actions AFAIK.

I'm reading this because it's interesting. I think. Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, over.

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