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Needs Help: Unexpectedly Obscure Answer get usage counts

 1 Twentington, Sat, 23rd Jun '12 2:20:58 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
Unexpectedly Obscure Answer. I created it but I'm not sure on what to do with it. It seems to be two tropes in one: 1.) real-life game show answers perceived as hard, and 2.) mega-obscure answers played for laughs in fiction.
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

I just read the first as a straight example, and the second as a parody of it. It may not be a parody of this trope specifically, but it ends up being this trope.

Seems like the same trope.

edited 23rd Jun '12 3:04:08 PM by Feather7603

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.
The game show examples all come across as "This question was too hard", which I don't think is something we want to be troping. I would zap them; that's just nattery garbage.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 4 Twentington, Fri, 29th Jun '12 8:46:17 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
Bump.
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

There are 3 sub-types I see with this trope:

  • 1. Harder questions the farther you progress in the game, ending up at this trope
  • 2. Harder question that it should be at that point of the game
  • 3. "I don't know the answer, and how can anyone know that" Might be DNDTR

Also, filter out anything where contestants were Ditzes.

edited 29th Jun '12 10:47:50 PM by spacemarine50

 
 6 Twentington, Wed, 4th Jul '12 7:38:13 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
Rebump.
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

 7 Spark 9, Thu, 5th Jul '12 2:37:41 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I agree with the OP. Furthermore, "this quiz had an answer that I found hard" is really subjective.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
The page quote (from Monty Python and the Holy Grail) seems to be a legit trope: Alice asks Bob a series of questions, one of which is much harder for Bob and/or in a different category than the others. The Joker example (in-universe game show contestants thrown a bunch of questions which are much harder than is typical for that game show) also seems legit.

I'd support a restriction to in-universe, i.e. nuke all the game show stuff.

 9 Twentington, Tue, 17th Jul '12 6:05:13 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
Bump. Are we gonna do something here?
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

 10 Spark 9, Tue, 17th Jul '12 11:47:56 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I think we should define this as in-universe only, where a quiz has ridiculously difficult questions as a joke. Frankly, the list of real-life quiz shows that some user thought were hard is not a trope; we could list every single quiz show on such a list.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 11 Twentington, Wed, 18th Jul '12 9:00:47 AM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
So are we gonna discuss this trope into changing itself, or what?
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

 12 Spark 9, Wed, 18th Jul '12 9:40:52 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Well, I suppose we need consensus first to change a trope around, so we'd need some more people agreeing in here, or a crowner on the subject.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 13 Twentington, Wed, 25th Jul '12 12:50:35 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
Hello? Anyone here?
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

 14 Twentington, Wed, 8th Aug '12 1:06:04 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
Bump. I think this has gone stale.
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

 15 lu 127, Wed, 8th Aug '12 1:08:00 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Then make a crowner instead of expecting someone else to do anything. If you want something to move, move it by adding something of value, not just bumps.
迷子の足音消えた 代わりに祈りの唄
 16 Troacctid, Thu, 9th Aug '12 8:36:48 PM from California
Legitimate trope, solid definition, some bad examples. Solution: scrap bad examples. Seems straightforward enough. All in favor?
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Should we agree on what are the bad examples?
 
 18 jkbeta, Fri, 10th Aug '12 12:07:43 AM from right behind you Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
[up] Haven't checked the page yet, but normally, bad example = does not fit the definition. Seems easy enough.

I figure we can pretty much agree on [1]. Hopefully.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 20 jkbeta, Sat, 11th Aug '12 12:04:56 PM from right behind you Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
* assents*

Edit: In fact, we should write up a better definition first. It's fairly game show specific right now.

edited 11th Aug '12 12:06:32 PM by jkbeta

 21 Twentington, Thu, 18th Oct '12 11:42:41 AM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
So what would be the best plan here? Rewrite it as "Impossibly difficult question used as a joke"? That seems to be the way things are leaning here.
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

 22 Twentington, Sat, 1st Dec '12 5:49:25 AM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
There's no dissent, so should I just gut this to only the in-universe examples?
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

 23 Donaldthe Potholer, Mon, 3rd Dec '12 9:36:37 PM from Somewhere in (not)Miami
Partial Dissent concerning instances where the Trope is Invoked to create a desired result:

In effect, I'm arguing that if a work invokes the Trope on purpose to achieve a desired effect, then the example should stay. If the Trope is experienced by accident, then the example should be removed.

Heck, it could be said that Unwinnable by Design is the Videogame Equivalent.

edited 3rd Dec '12 9:43:05 PM by DonaldthePotholer

 24 Twentington, Tue, 4th Dec '12 12:12:09 AM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
[up]Those seem like acceptable examples for this trope too. So should I trim it to in-universe and invocations only?

edited 4th Dec '12 12:12:21 AM by Twentington

Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

 25 Donaldthe Potholer, Tue, 4th Dec '12 9:14:09 AM from Somewhere in (not)Miami
Full disclosure: The Mario Party item in my post was basically a synthesis based on the nature of the series. (Essentially, I asked "Why would a game utilize a quiz with such off the wall questions?").

So the current Mario Party example needs to be rewritten to reflect this.

But, yes. Remove the examples like Jeopardy! and Wheel that are honestly unexpected. Then put in a notice like this:

Examples should be limited to In-Universe examples and where this is deliberately Invoked for a desired effect. If it seems like the writers honestly thought that the question was answerable by the contestants, then it shouldn't be here. If the series seems to have an ulterior motive (directly relating to a gimmick of the show) for providing these sort of questions, then it belongs.

EDIT: Actually, the Mario Party example seems more like an Unwinnable Joke Game than Unwinnable by Design. So that example is now questionable.

EDIT 2: Some changes made. Also, Invoked examples are on the bottom. I removed the obvious Unwinnable by Mistake ones.

EDIT 3: Finally found a place for your "Real-life game show answers perceived as hard": Moon Logic Puzzle. Also paired that Trope with This one on the In-Universe page.

edited 4th Dec '12 9:54:19 AM by DonaldthePotholer

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