The Computer Thread

Only if you can figure out where to put them.

But those aren't even the kinds of commands that will be coded into the first human-level A.I.s by their programmers. There's unlikely to be anything in the source code that corresponds in any specific way to the concept of murder or disobedience.

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I would argue that the concept of disobedience, and not to do it, should be the FIRST thing hard-coded into its source code.

What is the point of a tool, something that you have created to do a job, if it does not do the job you made it to do?

If its gonna be capable of understanding you, learning and adapting, you need to make sure it will always be under your control... hell even if its a lab experiment, with no practical points, you would STILL do that, or make sure it has a kill switch.

You dont let lab animals out of the lab, you even euthanize them when done, research is done with safty, some times at the expense of cruelty.

edited 25th Feb '14 10:43:36 AM by Imca

Kinda the whole point of human-level AI is to make something versatile enough not to be fixed to just one particular job. At any rate, the first human-level A.I.s will probably be made as research projects, their only 'job' being to show their creators what is possible and whether their techniques are working.

At some point down the line we might have refined the field to the point where conscious beings can be designed with very specific desires, instincts and ways of thinking, but with the first ones we are unlikely to have that kind of control.

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Then they will have a built in self destruct, or some forms of overide.

Lab conditions value safty to an extreme.

Not arguing your sugested development path, even though I think the specilized ones will come before general, just saying tha any researcher worth there weight in salt knows to make sure there projects dont get out of hand.

Incidentally, one of my favorite things about I, Robot was how they handled the robot rebellion motivation. It was to protect humanity from itself.

Even more so, I liked how, depending on the robots' AI and programming (which varied from one model to the next), their level of participation in said rebellion varied greatly. Many of the older androids fought to protect the humans as much as they could.

Oh, and Rule 34 had a very interesting ethical discussion on the creation of artificial intelligence, which listed several reasons summing up to "Not with a ten foot pole" because nobody wanted to be the first to crack open that can of worms.

edited 25th Feb '14 2:34:54 PM by AFP

I love I Robot as well because of its handeling.

Even if Asimovs laws are flawed, but then agian thats the point he is a story writer, it is hard to write a story without having some form of flaw to drive it.

Never read Rule 34 though, sorry.

It's a good read. Check out Halting State first.

As far as I, Robot goes, I'm not sure how the books handle the Three Laws Compliant and Robot Rebellion thing, I've only seen the movie.

The researchers will take safety measures, sure. And the safety measures will, at least at first, probably be effective (if they even turn out to be necessary at all; the AIs may be totally benign). But there's a big difference between designing a program to want exactly what you want it to want, and simply putting it in a really strong cage.

I should also point out that, for superhuman AIs, no cage may be strong enough. It has been suggested that a superhuman AI would be able to figure out how to convince any human security guard to release it (consider the AI box experiment, for instance).

edited 25th Feb '14 10:42:59 PM by Meklar

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Keep the thing from communicating with the guard.

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If it cant comunicate in any way, that defeats its purpose.

I cant really reply to the other post though, since I think the argument is inherently flawed with a proper programer but am having issues with English

I said with the GUARD. Of course it'd be able to communicate but only with those permitted

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So, I have a video driver question. Since I upgraded my PC (HPE-210f) last week to a GTX 660 (sweet card, by the way) and installed the latest GeForce WHQL drivers (334.89), I've been getting a lot of driver crashes and even a spontaneous reboot. The forum thread about the driver on geforce.com indicates that a lot of people have had the same experience.

I'm a power user but I'm not intimately familiar with the details of every driver release. Would a rollback to an earlier version be recommended? If so, which recent release is the most stable?

edited 27th Feb '14 7:58:57 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I don't know which is the latest "recommended and stable" driver. I'm still at 320.49, for example. LOL

I'm reading this because it's interesting. I think. Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, over.

Well, the WHQL certification is supposed to denote "recommended and stable" but we can see how that works out...

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I dunno about which is the latest stable one as I don't chase updates vigorously, but worst case you could just use the drivers on the install disc. Those have to work good, or else anyone buying a new card will go "this card is crap, I want a refund".

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I always use the Nvidia beta drivers, Never had any more crashes with them then stable....

And infact, for gaming, you have far FEWER crashes, since there constantly kept up to date, so much so, that my first responce to any graphical bug or crash with a new game is "Time to update the drivers" and 9 times out of 10 it fixed it.

So, I bought an Intel NUC box to use as a HTPC. Slapped an old hard drive and a 4GB RAM stick in it, and fired up Windows 7. Now I just need a good media center program to use. Ideally something that is easy to use and works with a wide variety of file formats (AVI, MP 4, MKV, etc.) I've got XBMC which is great, but it seems to have some glitchiness in regards to being able to see my files and correctly guess what shows they are. Similarly, Windows Media Center picks everything up easily enough, but runs a lot more slowly and seems more limited (for instance, it makes no visible attempt to pull down movie posters or other info for my movies and TV shows).

Free is always nice, but throw me some options either way please.

There aren't any newer beta drivers available than the release, so I guess I'm stuck for a bit.

As for how you get fewer crashes with a beta... that makes no sense at all.

edited 27th Feb '14 4:42:38 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Nvidia beta builds seem to be relatively stable, combined with the fact that there more up to date with the programs that use them.....

Thats about all I could guess at.

The beta drivers presumably have fewer crashes simply because they addressed the crash-causing bugs from the previous version, and the game developers have not had the time to figure out how to break them with new features yet.

For the record, the only time I've had a video card straight up crash was due to a power outage that somehow borked the drivers. Booted into safemoat, reinstalled the drivers, rebooted, everything was 100% again.

I'm going to revert to 332.21 for now, as I've read that it's more stable. Has anyone had any experience using the ShadowPlay feature that NVidia baked into their latest drivers? It's supposed to enable video recording much like FRAPS.

edited 2nd Mar '14 10:08:10 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Well, ShadowPlay is neat, but when I try to convert the 25Mbps files it makes down to the 4800 kbps format that I use to upload to You Tube, it desyncs the audio. That and the 332.21 drivers seem to crash Windows Media Player constantly, and still crash whenever I alt-tab from a window-mode graphics app. Grr.

Maybe I have a hardware problem?

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Been playing around with the new HTPC setup, and I've noticed that it chokes on bigger files, such as the extended version of Dune with the 5.1 Dolby audio, clocking in at something like 1.6GBs or more. It's not a memory shortage, I think, but probably rather a bandwidth issue (my movie files are kept on a NAS storage device on the home network). Not sure if it's possible to tell my theater program (XBMC) to buffer bigger files or what.

Similarly, I'm wondering why XBMC seems unable to detect some of my files. I'm thinking it might have to do with file formats.

Try using another program like Handbreak. I know you love the program you're using, but before you rip out hardware, remember some proggies don't play nice with drivers.

In other news:

• Microsoft Promotes Satya Nadella to CEO, Names Bill Gates a Technology Advisor - Maximumpc.com

I hope he does a better job and keeps a firm hand on the company. Balmer was Steve Jobs with out the charm and the warmth..and the humility.

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What program are you using to do the transcoding of the video files? ffmpeg is supposed to be the go-to video conversion utility, but lacks a GUI.

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?