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Rename (4/06/12): What Do You Mean Its Not Heinous get usage counts

 1 Dragon Quest Z, Sat, 19th May '12 12:40:36 PM from Somewhere in California
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Yeah, when I thought up the trope name, it was a snowclone, particularly of "What Do You Mean It's Now Awesome", which is now Mundane Made Awesome.

So I think it's best we look at this trope name and see if there's a better one we can give it, thus leaving the "what do you mean it's not" name strictly for audience reaction tropes.
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 2 Septimus Heap, Fri, 25th May '12 2:13:21 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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The big issue I see with these snowclones is that they sound rather confusing. I can barely tell apart What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? and What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?. And how is this different from Disproportionate Retribution again?

Support rename on this basis.

I'll support it if someone thinks of a good name

And how is this different from Disproportionate Retribution again?
WDYMINH implies that either a work or an in-universe character is making a bigger deal of something than is called for. DR implies that an in-universe character retaliates worse than what's being retaliated for. A character or work can invoke WDYMINH without condoning DR, or a character can condone or engage in DR while acknowledging that it's disproportionate.

That said, a rename would probably help to reduce confusion. At the very least it's worth a try.
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Might I recommend Mundane Made Heinous?
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[up]I find that suggestion ironic if the reason to rename is "snowclone"...
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[up] It's a more reasonable snowclone, though.
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Speaking of snowclone alternatives, maybe we could work "jaywalking" in there somehow.

 9 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 28th May '12 12:48:18 PM from Somewhere in California
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[up][up]It's not accurate though, since some things are not mundane, just really minor infractions.

[up]I'm thinking that would be a bad idea.

edited 28th May '12 12:48:50 PM by DragonQuestZ

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I'm thinking something simpler, like Exaggerated Crime.
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 11 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 28th May '12 4:30:55 PM from Somewhere in California
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[up]Well some of these are not crimes.
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"Crime" means "any offense", not only things that are illegal. Not recycling your soda can could be a crime.
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 13 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 28th May '12 4:44:34 PM from Somewhere in California
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[up]It still is thought of in strictly legal terms, so we shouldn't go for a work that makes some think the trope is narrower than it is.

The point of the trope isn't the nature of the act, but the reaction to the act as being heinous, when it is not. That is what the name need to reflect.
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 14 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 28th May '12 4:58:37 PM from Somewhere in California
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Um, Trivial Made Heinous is a snowclone in the middle word, but might be different enough otherwise. Hopefully.
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What about Exaggerated Offence, if that word is better?
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 16 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 28th May '12 5:08:29 PM from Somewhere in California
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Well some of the things here might not even count as offenses. Look at the page quote.
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Trivial Made Heinous is the most accurate, but it's also bland. If we're going to throw another thousand wicks onto all the ones we still have left from the WhatDoYouMeanItsNotAwesome rename, the new name better be good.

Having said that... Jaywalking Is A Special Kind Of Evil...?

edited 28th May '12 6:48:59 PM by abk0100

I don't think the word trivial would fit actual crimes, though. Legally speaking.
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 19 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 28th May '12 10:07:24 PM from Somewhere in California
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"but it's also bland"

Clear is the top priority for names, not witty.
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I must admit, I love Jaywalking Is A Special Kind Of Evil. It's a snowclone, but it's also fairly descriptive of the trope.
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 21 Willbyr, Fri, 1st Jun '12 7:29:59 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up][up] That amuses me very much as well.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 23 ccoa, Mon, 4th Jun '12 8:24:12 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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Calling crowner in favor of renaming.
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 24 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 4th Jun '12 9:45:27 AM from Somewhere in California
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Not too fond of the jaywalking name, as a) it would make it another snowclone (of Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil), and b) the trope is not about treating jaywalking as worse than murder, but treating it as though it's a felony, of any degree.
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It's funny, as soon as I go into "let's make trope names accurate" mode, Jaywalking Is A Special Kind Of Evil sounds terribly inaccurate because this isn't literally about jaywalking. But I suppose it's not a problem because even if someone takes it literally, they still shouldn't think it applies to something that it doesn't apply to, just more narrowly.
 

Alternative Titles: What Do You Mean Its Not Heinous
4th Jun '12 8:47:10 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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