Gravity Falls

I mostly agree with him.

And Razzle Dazzle Dorito is the best nickname for Bill.

I really hate that I only got into the show during the last handful of episodes. Its really good,

That being said Im glad that the creator got to end things on his own terms and Disney didnt force the show to continue. It could have been like Spongebob where they run into the ground and and creator takes a backseat

Lol the guy literally burned the three icons of the series. There really wouldn't have been anything after that he could have done.

Adding on to this, are there any series out there anyone think did manage to hold up without their original creators/developers?

edited 29th Jun '16 6:50:19 PM by Groverman62

Um......

Maybe

Pokemon?

Adventure Time I think. And RWBY just got interesting after it's creator died (not because he died, but in spite of his death)

The latter is something I will HEAVILY debate.

MLP:FIM Lauren Faust took a much smaller role in season 2, just as a supervising editor rather then directly running things, and left after that. And baring a slight dip in season three for reasons, it's been getting better every season since.

Star Wars.

Star Trek.

Every version pretty much. The Films got to their best after Roddenberry got Kicked Upstairs, TNG really hit it's stride after he stepped down from running it. Even Voyager and Enterprise, the two worst series got better after the people who started them got removed.

This is all very true.

Also having the new universe means that there is plenty of story potential, sadly not with Chekov though.

Well, I mean, the problem with Mabel is that I find her difficult even if I want to like her. At first I kinda did. It's like, "hey look, a Moeperson being played by Kristen Schall with some pretty good moves". That kinda stopped when I realized that she was having her way in a lot of things, even when the outcome for somebody else is worse than what she'd be having otherwise. Like when she traded off Dipper getting closer to Wendy over having some pig that none of the characters were even acquainted with yet. There's not really much else I'll be saying about that, but if Mabel was more considerate than with the pig incident, I'd like her a lot more.

And that snowglobe thing... Well, that would make me get pissed off at even my favorite Darkhorse.

Dippy wouldn't get any closer to Wendy even if things played out in his favor, things would've still ended up at Into the Bunker's ending. He lost nothing...though I guess the real solution is that neither of them get what they wanted.

The snow-globe thing...is understandable.

edited 30th Jun '16 5:24:16 PM by randomness4

Ya know, for all people complain about the stupid Wendy romantic plot tumor, they're really willing to throw it all away if it means attacking Mabel more.

That's unfair statement. In anything it would be inconsiderate to say "I'm okay with Mabel getting what the wants at cost of Dipper, because I'm tired or Wendy's Plot Tumor." It as if say, Stan yelled at Soos and then fired him for saying something stupid and someone was okay with that because he was tired of Soos.

With that said...I dunno, I think helping Mermando was more important than Dipper keeping his job.

I've never understood why people took "The Time Traveler's Pig" as an instance where Mabel makes Dipper give something up so that she can have something she wants. It really was the other way around. Mabel already had Waddles, but Dipper was trying to make her give up Waddles for some imaginary chance at getting together with Wendy. :/

Funny thing about Mabel, though, I actually found her pretty annoying at first. But then later I started liking her, and then, when it felt like everyone started hating her, I actually wound up liking her more, almost in defense. :/ So, I feel like Dipper should be my favorite, logically, and he was, for a time, but because so many people dislike Mabel, I started liking her a lot more almost to make up for their dislike. I dunno, it's weird, and honestly, not a very good reason to like a character, but what can I do. :/

All of my concern over Mabel has been dispelled by Part 2 of Weirdpocalypse, and Sock Opera.

edited 1st Jul '16 5:22:18 AM by EchoingSilence

The only instance I ever felt Mabel was being unreasonable was Sock Opera since she had already promised to help Dipper. Thankfully, that was the point.

Yeah, Time Traveler's Pig was all about Dipper abusing time travel out of desperation to Dry Dock Wendy. He outright robbed a time traveler so that he could Save Scum a social interaction, all with the intention of keeping her and Robbie apart. Not so he could ask Wendy out, mind you, but so he could continue fantasizing about the prospect.

In the process, he managed to Make Wrong What Once Went Right. Mabel losing her pig is a tangible consequence to represent how screwed up Dipper's choices were and spark a resolvable conflict out of it, because it's a bit harder to write around a message of, "What you are doing is morally wrong and kinda rapey," on a children's television network, especially if you intend the protagonist to remain likable.

edited 1st Jul '16 11:02:38 AM by TobiasDrake

Pretty much what Tobias said. I can understand disliking Mabel in Weirdmageddon 2, but in The Time Traveler's Pig, Dipper is kind of the bigger asshole there.

Mabel lost little pig because she helped Dipper do the morally bad thing...

I think most of my dislike was forcing Dipper to admit his feelings against his wishes and ignored even Wendy's cry for help when they wanted out. But we were meant to dislike that.

Well that and teasing Dipper which the show didn't really go far with.

I like Mabel.

edited 1st Jul '16 11:56:17 AM by EchoingSilence

I didn't like Mabel joining in on the "Oh god, are you still on that?!" groan in Roadside Attraction when the Wendy box was discovered.

Mabel, you started this mess and were an overenthusiastic Shipper on Deck every time the topic came up. You do not get to make a snide eyeroll about it.

But Roadside Attraction was a bad episode for a lot of reasons.

They really should have rewritten that episode.

Or Hirsch could do what the creator of Hey Arnold did when they made their worst episode (Arnold Betrays Iggy) and make sure it's rarely aired and make the crew apologize for it.

Then there was the weird #Onlyheromabel thing. That probably didn't help with a zealous minority getting uppity in thinking Dipper would become a supervillain.

But zealous fanbase minorities never help anything.

Really Vocal Minority just always rubs people the wrong way.

edited 1st Jul '16 11:58:37 AM by EchoingSilence