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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#9576: Oct 13th 2015 at 4:46:08 AM

[up]No, people have indeed been mostly blaming Ford, which is understandable but feels pretty misplaced I think. There really isn't anyone to fully blame for everything that happened.

Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#9578: Oct 13th 2015 at 4:54:25 AM

Speaking of Bill, is there still any credence to the idea that he has a higher-up on the other side?

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#9579: Oct 13th 2015 at 4:58:31 AM

Maybe, but it seems pretty unlikely at this point.

Keybreak Since: Apr, 2010
#9580: Oct 13th 2015 at 5:18:20 AM

I had a dream about Gravity Falls. Bill was tormenting Ford in the dreamscape with changing sceneries, glitchy terrain and general Mind Screw.

I felt his pain...like literally, it hurt to watch.

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Xeroop Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#9582: Oct 13th 2015 at 5:43:58 AM

I see the tentacles again. I mean, this one that were visible in the original Promo Picture for Season 2.

I believe they come to play in one way or another.

Also, the image makes it look like Bill has become one with the Shack.

edited 13th Oct '15 5:44:07 AM by Xeroop

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#9583: Oct 13th 2015 at 5:52:34 AM

I notice from the trailer that both Wendy and Gideon play prominent roles in the post-apocalyptic showdown.

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#9584: Oct 13th 2015 at 6:10:42 AM

Hence the reason I said rationalizing something and justifying it are two different things. All you did was rationalize it, it still isn't justified.
I should note that I meant "excuse" not in the sense of being justified or "excusing one's actions", but instead in the sense of "this explains why this person did this; looking at it from this angle, it is easy to understand why this person took this course of actions." Rationalizing is the wrong word for it—empathizing is what I would say.

Semantics aside, though, I don't see any reason to be harsh about it, especially when probably come next episode she'll highly acknowledge her actions and basically say "I done fucked up bad." Also she's a fictional character.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#9585: Oct 13th 2015 at 6:40:39 AM

AHHHHHHHHHH

why yes i did watch the new episode

edited 13th Oct '15 6:43:51 AM by edvedd

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#9586: Oct 13th 2015 at 6:41:20 AM

You know unless something happens to her thanks to Pyramid Body.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#9587: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:03:29 AM

Ford sliding down the pillar with his gravity gun was pretty rad. They should make a video game with a mechanic like that.

I missed Gideon this season. I hope he has a bigger role next one. I wonder what use Bill could have for him now.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#9588: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:42:19 AM

I read some stuff on Tumblr about the new episode, and to my confusion they are calling Ford Abusive and Manipulative.

I don't get it, yeah he was basically splitting up the Mystery Twins but there wasn't any malice in it and he offered Dipper who accepted. He told Dipper he was destined for great things and even stated that Mabel has a magnetic personality, he probably didn't think she'd have it too rough.

I like to think that everyone is at fault for a little bit.

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#9589: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:50:35 AM

Hmmm...I wouldn't call him abusive or manipulative, but I would fault Ford for projecting his issues with his brother onto Dipper, what with his comment on how being a twin is "suffocating."

He also did convince Dipper to take on the apprenticeship like Bill got his trust, through flattery and ego stroking. (I'm thinking especially of his comment that Gravity Falls calls to "special" people like him and Dipper, but also about his comments on his intelligence and how amazing he is, etc.) Though that similarity is more unintentional on Ford's part, I'm sure. I just find that interesting.

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Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#9590: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:51:34 AM

[up][up]He did, however, say that having a twin was "stifling" and given his past experience with his own brother it's not unlikely that he thought he was saving Dipper the trouble of being held back.

I wouldn't call Ford manipulative but horribly misguided and untrustworthy of anyone else that doesn't immediately worship him. The fact that he chose not to tell anyone about the rift, including those in his immediate family, was a gigantic mistake.

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edited 13th Oct '15 7:52:24 AM by Mattonymy

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#9591: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:52:38 AM

[up][up][up]Emotions are running pretty high right now.

Not to mention he did describe the fact that Mabel and Dipper were never apart to be "suffocating". He does seem to be reading into/ assuming things about their relationship that aren't true.

edited 13th Oct '15 7:52:52 AM by Mio

YamiiDenryuu Since: Jan, 2010
#9592: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:55:14 AM

Did Blendin always sound like Morty?

StarvingGecko Unsuspecting Fogey from Coffeen, IL Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#9593: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:55:53 AM

Morty sounds like Blendin sounds like Lemongrab.

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#9594: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:56:13 AM

To me he's pretty much just used Lemongrab's voice. [nja]

edited 13th Oct '15 7:56:34 AM by YamiVizziniX

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Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#9595: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:56:42 AM

Yes, well, why the HELL not?

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#9596: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:58:28 AM

Too easy a solution, doesn't include Seatbelt safety, plus parents.

randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#9597: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:59:58 AM

Who cares about parents we never see anyway...that's is is the much better solution.

edited 13th Oct '15 8:00:19 AM by randomness4

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Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#9598: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:00:53 AM

The best solution to a problem is usually the easiest one

Also Dipper seemed to be dead set on leaving his parents anyway, w/o consultation.

edited 13th Oct '15 8:01:50 AM by Mattonymy

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#9599: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:09:03 AM

Only now I realized that Blendin and Morty share the same VA and now suddenly the Rick and Morty jokes about this episode make much more sense...

About Dipper/Ford: I'm pretty sure Ford had no malice behind his words, he just knows from past experiences that having a twin can be a little bit of a headache and he doesn't want Dipper's potential to go to waste. Hell, he even felt a little bad when Dipper returned and knew what went down.

Now granted, its still a pretty dickish move, just not an intentional one. I dunno, I understand Ford/Dipper want to move on to bigger and better things, but they kind of neglect their closest companions in doing so. Meanwhile Stan/Mabel are understandably distraught that they're essentially being left behind, but that causes them to act selfishly.

So its like, hey...nobody has any real moral high ground here.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#9600: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:33:34 AM

I have a gut feeling their parents are terrible people.


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