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Ambiguous Name: World Map get usage counts

 101 shimaspawn, Tue, 22nd May '12 2:43:11 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Nor would I. But it does function as a Hub Level. It's just the aesthetics that make it different.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 102 Troacctid, Tue, 22nd May '12 4:07:44 PM from California
Well the Hub Level trope is for hubs that use the same mechanics as normal levels. That's not really the case for games like Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, Donkey Kong Country 3, etc.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
I don't think Shima is saying that the hub level in... Donkey Kong 64 is the same as the one in Chrono Trigger. But we might get a good name from considering the relationship between the two.

 104 Troacctid, Tue, 22nd May '12 4:25:34 PM from California
Well regardless, I don't think it's necessarily accurate to call it a "hub" just cuz it's the interface you use to get from one place to another. Like, to use an extreme example, I wouldn't call "the ocean" a hub in The Windwaker.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Dragon Writer
And it's not a World Map in the context we are thinking, either, because it's played more or less at actual scale.
But it is an overworld.

 107 Spark 9, Thu, 24th May '12 5:03:12 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
They are maps in the video game sense of the world (i.e. "map" = "level"), not in the real-world sense (i.e. "map" = "schematic zoomed-out rendition of an area").

Special trousers. Very heroic.
 108 shimaspawn, Thu, 24th May '12 9:01:13 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yes, but if we're defining World Map to be the actual map screen, which we're going, calling this something with world map in it is going to confuse things and cause trope decay.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 109 Troacctid, Thu, 24th May '12 12:23:49 PM from California
This trope is a map but not necessarily a World Map. It shouldn't have World Map in the name.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Going to just scattershot some ideas here - accept or reject at your discretion:

  • Map Screen Overworld
  • Hub World Map
  • Overland Hub
  • Walking the Overworld

Dragon Writer
(i.e. "map" = "schematic zoomed-out rendition of an area").
That is the context this trope gets generally used in; I don't see a problem.
 112 shimaspawn, Thu, 24th May '12 10:02:08 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
It's not really though. It's almost always missing the schematic part, and it's rarely a map in the sense that you can see more than one location at a time. It's not at all useful for seeing the relationship between one place and another. It's just the area is shrunken so that travel times don't take forever.

edited 24th May '12 10:02:53 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1335282740012552800&page=5#107 If we're going to be using the word "map" to mean level, why not just use the word "level" in the first place, to avoid the ambiguity. As in World Level or something.

 114 Troacctid, Sat, 26th May '12 12:52:40 PM from California
But it's not a level, it's a map.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 115 Spark 9, Sat, 26th May '12 1:01:47 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
It's a map level, which has a level map.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 116 Troacctid, Sat, 26th May '12 1:09:43 PM from California
Well okay you could call it a map level, maybe. I don't know about a level map—a lot of them have mountains and valleys. cool
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Dragon Writer
"Level map" is too close to Level-Map Display which is not really related.
This trope is not a map ("a representation, usually on a flat surface, as of the features of an area of the earth or a portion of the heavens, showing them in their respective forms, sizes, and relationships according to some convention of representation"). It is a level, often functionally identical to other levels in the game, only larger and with Units Not to Scale, usually with Wrap Around edges.

So, just to be sure, this trope is basically just "overworld, but not to scale, " right? Why don't we just call it that?

edited 27th May '12 2:26:40 PM by abk0100

[up]Because some people think that would be mistaken for "any above-ground level." Or something. Which I don't really get, "Overworld" is the established term, even wikipedia uses it.

"Overworld" has exactly the same probably as World Map - it's too broad. In Zelda games, for instance, the main area is always called the overworld. The main Zelda theme is actually named "The Overworld Theme." But only Zelda II is an example of the Final Fantasy style overworld that we're naming.

edited 28th May '12 12:32:28 AM by abk0100

 122 Troacctid, Mon, 28th May '12 1:21:32 AM from California
Yes, this trope is not The Overworld. That's a different, broader trope that would just lead to more of the same kind of misuse.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 123 Spark 9, Mon, 28th May '12 2:26:41 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] We should, however, create a page called The Overworld (or Over World) since this is a Missing Super Trope.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
Dragon Writer
"The X" is a very discredited trope-naming convention and for many reasons. No way that can be allowed to walk away.
 125 shimaspawn, Mon, 28th May '12 10:50:07 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Err, that's actually not true. It's an encouraged naming convention for character archetypes still.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick

Alternative Titles: World Map
1st May '12 9:15:27 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
New title brainstorming for "depiction of a Video Game setting map that allows free player exploration between discrete levels/areas" (e.g. Final Fantasy-style world maps; current definition of "World Map")
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