Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
Does Mind Rape really need to be NRLEP as a sex trope? It's not about actual rape.
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Not as a sex trope, certainly. I wonder if there is any real life equivalent - brainwashing and torture don't fall under that trope, and is directly manipulating someone's brain say through injections or electroshock really a thing?
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Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
I'm not saying it couldn't be NRLEP for other reasons. I'm just saying it's not a sex/rape trope.
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Yeah, I'd be rather iffy on examples simply because I am not certain that there are any legit Real Life examples yet and the section would likely attract a pile of shoehorning. Plus while I am fairly thick-skinned, I'd worry that overly creepy examples will come.
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Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
Move it to a different section on No Real Life Examples, Please!, then.
Animal Wrongs Group is currently NRLEP under "too common". However, I feel like if that trope had a Real Life section, and listed PETA, it would be true, but it would attract flamebait (and complaining, and natter).
edited 28th Dec '17 6:48:01 AM by Lymantria
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If I remember correctly, that sort of stuff is why it's NRLEP.
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No, the other one.
Yeah, I think Animal Wrongs Group should be moved. It's trope related to politics, which means flamebait and stuff. It's also calling people complete lunatics, to borrow something from the description, and it plainly states they're wrong, so it's also a morality trope.
edited 28th Dec '17 10:21:13 AM by AnotherDuck
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Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
It should definitely be moved to another section.
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Blapper of Water
Reiterating my opinion that if "too common" is an invalid argument for making something NRLEP then we shouldn't even have that section on the page. The way the page is organized implies that the name of the section is the reason for the trope being NRLEP.
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Time-Traveling Conqueror
Granted, this might be hypocrisy on my part, since I added the example about Scott Glenn in the first place (then again, I also just removed it), but perhaps Break the Badass should fall under this.
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"In distress", my ass.
Given how the description is pretty clear about it being creator intent to do that, and "really bad things happen to badasses" is pretty common (though not "too common") purely by random chance, I can't say I'd have any particular desire to defend it having an RL section.
However, from a brief skim of the history for other entries I don't think at present making it formally NRLEP is necessary, since it doesn't seem to be a regular item of contention. Should it heat up with age it can be re-evaluated at that time.
edited 1st Jan '18 1:37:01 PM by Nohbody
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I think "too common" in this context really means "PSOC in Real Life". That is, something is so common in RL that it has no significance; it's just something that happens, while in fiction it is being used to convey some meaning.
As an example, take the old convention of heroes being blue-eyed. This is (or used to be) a trope in fiction, but in real life people's eye colour has nothing to say about their character. You could still make up a lot of RL "examples" about heroic people having blue eyes, but then you could just say that "Blue eyes are so common in RL that some heroes are bound to have them just by chance". Hence, it is "too common in real life".
edited 2nd Jan '18 4:28:07 AM by GnomeTitan
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
That makes me think Animal Wrongs Group belongs in that section even less.
Blapper of Water
Yeah, but others here — including a mod — argued against that meaning of "too common." That's what I understood it as but it looks like that isn't valid anymore.
No, the other one.
You're describing a characterisation trope. We have that category.
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Yes, we do, but I was just using it to convey my idea of what "too common" means. I should have chosen an example that wasn't an appearance trope, but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader :)
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Regarding Animal Wrongs Group, wouldn't that fall under RCEJ, or perhaps morality tropes, rather than "too common"? Calling any real organization that would mean branding them as immoral or illegal, wouldn't it?
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Blapper of Water
As first brought up here, I second the motion to remove Elemental Powers from the crowner. There was no discussion for adding it to the crowner, and the discussion following its inclusion is pretty heavily on the side of "that obviously can't happen in real life." To say nothing of the technicalities involved (e.g. it not being formatted properly).
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Make the Bear Angry Again is a narrative trope that has a NRLEP warning but is yet to be added to the list.
edited 4th Jan '18 8:41:05 PM by DoctorCooper
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Question: Isn't Foreshadowing one of those things that you can't do in real life? Maybe at a stretch, a person could foreshadow plans that they've already made but not executed, but none of the examples on the subpage are anything more than coincidence.
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No, the other one.
I wouldn't call all of those coincidences, but rather predictions that turned out to be correct. Still, that's not what foreshadowing is. Foreshadowing requires a designed narrative. The examples there are closer to Accidentally-Correct Writing, as applied to future events rather than researchable facts.
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I put Foreshadowing and Make the Bear Angry Again in the crowner.
Some tropes just don't lend themselves to Real Life examples that follow our guidelines. So they don't collect RL examples, or attract examples that are easily purged.
Please note the general policy on RL examples: they are tolerated, even though off mission, until they become a problem. Some tropes are NRLEP by default, such as Sex and Rape tropes, while some are NRLEP out of TLP.
But if a RL example section is not existent/not a problem, and isn't default NRLEP, then the examples can stay. Proper examples, of course.
edited 6th Dec '17 7:04:30 PM by Candi
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