Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

In that case, i feel like Byronic Charatcer might had been a better fit. Let me guess, the name was derived form la literary term?

Regardless I don't know if that would be enought for it to keep a RL section. There is still the matter of gossip.

That I agree with. Or rather, I thought I added that in the previous post, but it somehow got removed when I edited the post. Reading through the examples, they're mainly about gossip relating to the people. I suppose their portrayal in media could be real examples, but they would categorise as whatever that media is, and there should be specific sources to it, rather than "media in general".

Girl Scouts Are Evil is a villain trope, and includes some ROCEJ violations in its real life examples section. Adding.

I don't know. While the Planned Parenthood one needs to go, some of them are funny, like the US Military one.

Comedy, as has been noted before, ain't pretty. (from the Comedic Sociopathy page if you're wondering)

I'm not sure why violating examples have to stay on the grounds that "they're funny"

edited 12th Mar '17 7:28:54 PM by MorningStar1337

It also has been noted before to not add new things to this crowner.

Note: we can, if we want, prepare the next crowner, and link to it manually until we're done with the current one. If we're getting a bunch of suggestions, that might be the best approach.

Yeah, I didn't phrase that very well. I meant that they seem like the kind of funny and harmless stories that are exactly what RL examples are supposed to be.

If no one else thinks so, I don't really care strongly enough to dispute.

edited 12th Mar '17 8:41:40 PM by TropesForever

I think it's safe to call The Bully as NRLEP. Added 7th Mar '17 at 06:20:34 AM, 4:1 (20)

School Bullying Is Harmless will probably keep its RL examples, but it hasn't stabilized so I'm not calling it yet. Added 10th Mar '17 at 11:47:31 AM, 1.38:1 (19)

Evil Chef isn't likely to recover from an 18:0 blowout, but it still has another seven hours or so before it reaches the minimum 48 hour "simmer" time. Added 11th Mar '17 at 03:03:17 PM.

As for Girl Scouts Are Evil, I think we should just set it aside for the current crowner, and put it into the next crowner when that goes up, probably tomorrow morning unless someone else does the legwork. (I'll be at work when Evil Chef clears the 48 hour hurdle, and I doubt that SBIH will get enough "yes" votes to put it over the top on the vote ratio thing.)

I'd recommend against manually linking to a new crowner with it in, though, and just wait another day. Unattached crowners sound like they'd be more of a possible source of confusion than is justified. NRLEP status isn't exactly something vital to the functionality of the wiki, that it needs immediate attention.

edited 13th Mar '17 8:10:49 AM by Nohbody

Calling to keep RL examples for School Bullying Is Harmless. Added 10th Mar '17 at 11:47:31 AM, 1.38:1 (19)

Calling to make Evil Chef NRLEP. Added 11th Mar '17 at 03:03:17 PM, 18:0

Crowner 50 created with Girl Scouts Are Evil added to start, will timestamp it for when the crowner hook announcement is made.

I recently removed a ZCE from Performance Artist, which was the entirety of the RL section. I'm bringing it up here since it's intrinsically related to the already NRLEP All Gays Love Theatre and Camp Gay (plus it's gossip in its own right.) Thoughts?

New crowner hooked at 9:30 CDT 3/15/17

In that case. I'd like to bring Fandom Berserk Button to the table. I noticed a lot of non media folders that might be cover RL examples.

edited 15th Mar '17 7:47:41 PM by MorningStar1337

By the way, of the whole RL folder on Girl Scouts Are Evil, only two were even close to the trope; that the US military has a defense plan for an insurrection involving the Girl Scouts (although as the note explains, it is for training strategists on dealing with situations that are not straight-up "send in troops" situations); and that there are accusations that Girl Scout cookies are more unhealthy than they could be. And frankly, both of those are weak as examples of the trope.

A few specific non-media folders or examples that don't actually have "fandoms" would include tech supports and "Microcomputer fans" (Computing), everything under Science, the capital of the province of British Columbia (Other), and everything under Food & Drink.

There are, however, such things as "fandoms" for particular computing brands (Apple and Microsoft), so I kind of get why "computing" is there.

I could see fandoms for brands, food & drink and the rest, but most of those Fandom Berserk Button seem to miss how "fandom" is used on this site.

And that "don't cut pizza with scissors" example is just nonsensical in context. (Besides, you can do it easily with the kitchen scissors sold with kitchen knife collections.)

Fandom Berserk Button is one of those pages I don't even want to touch because of all the things I'd otherwise feel compelled to fix.

There's one entry in the food category that I saw that might qualify as a fandom: Chicago-style hot dogs. What makes a dog "Chicago-style" is the specific set of condiments used on it, and no, ketchup is not one of them. If you don't order a "Chicago-style" dog no one will care if you put ketchup on it or not. If you do, adding ketchup is like adding it to a Reuben sandwich or a gyros. Every hot dog place in Chicago has ketchup on the condiment bar.

edited 16th Mar '17 6:35:43 AM by Madrugada

Then it should be rewritten to reflect that.

I think Performance Artist needs more work than just havingit's rRL section pruned; the name is misleading, since in general usage, a "Performance artist" is someone who does "performance art" (From Wikipedia: "Performance art is a performance presented to an audience within a fine art context, traditionally interdisciplinary. ... It can be any situation that involves four basic elements: time, space, the performer's body, or presence in a medium, and a relationship between performer and audience. Performance art can happen anywhere, in any type of venue or setting and for any length of time. The actions of an individual or a group at a particular place and in a particular time constitute the work.") rather than a subset of gay culture.

I move we send that to TLP for renaming on the grounds that it's using a widely used common term for something completely different ("The name is Unclear — it fails to indicate what the trope is about, and thus undermines our goal of making the trope as accessible to as great a portion of our readership as possible. This includes ... using technical terms that mean something else in everyday speech...)

It's one of those tropes with a more general and already established name than what the trope is about. Usually not a good idea.

Yeah, Performance Artist isn't an NRLEP issue as much as a giant Inigo Montoya moment made a trope. I don't think it needs voting on in the crowner, but a rework far beyond the scope of this thread.

edited 16th Mar '17 9:25:00 AM by Nohbody

I'd like to request the Performance Artist be stricken from the crowner. Making it NRLEP when it's highly probable that it will be changed to a completely different trope by TRS seems like a bad move.

edited 16th Mar '17 9:48:55 AM by Madrugada

Agreed that that trope has worse problems than potential bad RL examples. (Too many ZC Es, unclear description.)