Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
"In distress", my ass.
Folders into separate pages might be necessary at some future point, depending on how the site rework goes, but for now it's unnecessarily expanding page administration work for no real benefit. The NRLEP page isn't anywhere near that full yet, at ~254k characters.
Locking such pages in advance would just be compounding the problem, when there's no current issues with the unlocked single page that exists now.
edited 4th Jun '15 6:31:54 PM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
"In distress", my ass.
So... swap crowner 32 with crowner 33? Or throw another item or two on the existing crowner so it's not "fairly short"?
Sorcerer in training
Swap. There's no need to be pedantic about the exact length under the current circumstances. Short is fine in some cases (except for paychecks). 
It's either real or it's a dream
I'm suprised the two gender ones I added to the list for voting are getting downvoted, considering they're about as flame bait-y as the previous two gender tropes I added.
No, the other one.
Thing is, if you post an entry on the crowner saying it's a flame bait trope, and then people go to that page and find not much controversy at all, it's makes for a pretty weak argument that the trope is a flame bait one.
Also, surprisingly, people may have different opinions about how similar tropes are.
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Hi
The new crowner's hooked and the thread title's been updated.
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Not to mention, unless I missed something (after reviewing the last two pages twice), you added them without bothering to let anybody know. I didn't even get a chance to vote on them.
On a related note, can we maybe relax the 48-hour rule when items are added over the weekend? Seems like every couple of weeks I come in and something was added at o'dark-thirty in the morning on Saturday (my time, of course) and called at the same time Monday morning, so given that I'm not on much over the weekends, I don't even see them.
I mean, it's not that big a deal, but it'd be nice.
edited 8th Jun '15 7:44:21 AM by SolipSchism
Sorcerer in training
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Willbyr
"In distress", my ass.
^^ I had added the entries to the new crowner when I made it, expecting it to be hooked the same day. Some people didn't wait for it to be hooked, and followed the link I posted to crowner 33 to vote on the entries.
In any case, I wasn't going to start calling stuff right away even if I did have the time for it (I don't, right now), explicitly for that reason.
I have no problems waiting another 2 days before starting to call stuff, which also fits pretty well with my work schedule on Wed (working the day shift, not the normal night one). 
edited 8th Jun '15 12:47:32 PM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
I'm not worried about the current crowner, doesn't look like anything has been called on it and I was able to vote on all of the entries. It's just that those two entries on the other crowner are just kind of... gone.
Although I'm not sure if those got "called" so much as just kind of being locked with the crowner. Not that I mind. Just a thought; I don't know if anyone else is less active on weekends like me. Don't hold up the thread on my account.
edited 8th Jun '15 1:27:32 PM by SolipSchism
This can't possibly be kosher.
It's not. Reverted with a polite request to bring up such suggestions here.
Ironically, despite making that edit, they didn't actually add any such examples (which was the very next thing I looked for).
So... Three cheers for being whimsical, I guess.
edited 8th Jun '15 1:57:10 PM by SolipSchism
Sorcerer in training
I can't think of a good reason to bring What an Idiot back up, either.
edited 8th Jun '15 4:34:49 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
No, neither can I. I just thought I'd go the "excessively polite" route instead of, er, saying what I really thought, which might have gotten me thumped for a rude edit reason. :p
Sorcerer in training
Someone's anywhere from making you raise an eyebrow to driving you bananas, so you think of what you want to say -and then shift it to polite and constructive words and phrases. 
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
What, we can't call people evil OR idiots now? But then what's the point?
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If we can't call them either, why not both?
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But why is Professional Wrestling allowed to have examples if it's Real Life, despite What An Idiot being called No Real Life Examples Please? Isn't that kind of hypocritical?
edited 9th Jun '15 3:30:51 PM by TropeLicious
Professional Wrestling is "scripted". It's not Real Life, although the division is thin at times.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
But how is it scripted? Wrestling is technically a sport and a real life one!
I think you're typing [ down ] when you mean [ up ] for those arrows.
Because professional wrestlers are basically fabricated characters. The matches are scripted and the characters are fictional. They may try to cement the illusion by staying in character all the time, but that doesn't make them any less fictional.
EDIT: Jesus christ what is the point of escape markup if it doesn't escape everything? It's 2015, I shouldn't have to insert random spaces into stuff just to keep it from parsing.
edited 9th Jun '15 3:41:35 PM by SolipSchism
Sorcerer in training
Professional wrestling, with kayfabe and the on-stage discussions and all that, is very much acting, with grueling schedules and the referees acting as guides and prompters. (Which is why they always miss the stuff they're not supposed to call on.)
Once in a while, real life breaks through (Cracked has an article on that) and they stop acting and start going real time in response to injury or being ticked off. But 99% is acting.
Professional wrestling is incredibly demanding and has a high injury rate, even with doctored props (which are not always effectively doctored). But it's highly physical acting, not real wrestling.
Edit: I read anything that sounds interesting, and the story behind pro wrestling is quite fascinating.
edited 9th Jun '15 7:19:06 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
As people say, pro wrestling's scripted, but it's NOT fake (ask Mick Foley how fake his injuries are).
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to argue, but "scripted" qualifies it as "not Real Life".
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I'd request that all folders needs their own pages, but be sure you lock all of them