Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
Sorcerer in training
Yay, crowner's fixed! ![[awesome]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/minis/award_star_gold_3.png "[awesome]"){kind=small}
Wait, wait, by Too Common To Trope are we talking about cutting the entire page? Because I thought folks agreed with the "deception" subtext of Finger-Tenting, re: Clasp Your Hands If You Deceive, which is a redirect, not a separate page.
These are the voyages...
Questionable Consent doesn't currently have any RL examples listed, but I'd argue it should be added to the NRLEP index preemptively.
Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you might just get it all...
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Not the whole page, just the RL section. No Trope Is Too Common, so we wouldn't cut an entire trope for that reason.
Sorcerer in training
It means that yes it means something in a narrative, but in real life it happens and doesn't mean anything in particular. It's not PSOC because it does mean something in context, but real life rarely, if ever, has that context.
edited 11th Feb '15 7:06:17 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Oh, I see. I was just worried at the sweeping "tone" of the phrase. I'm in favor of that, then.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
People Sit On Chairs—also I'm loling because I just posted that exact same comment on another thread. :p
Sorcerer in training
A polite way of expressing 'this is special why?' 
lmfao—the very first Real Life example on that page is spelling bees.
Nuke that entire RL section from orbit, plox.
Edit: ...And, bizarrely, the second RL example seems to be suggesting that the Thai military elite are stationed near the capitol, so that they could potentially "help or hinder" a coup... So the Thai government might want the military to participate in a coup? Wat?
edited 12th Feb '15 9:26:10 AM by SolipSchism
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That... doesn't make sense. Nope.
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
Took care of it.
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Erm, while the rule of thumb is what it is, shouldn't Sorting Algorithm of Evil go through a vote like every other evil trope?
edited 12th Feb '15 10:32:39 AM by desdendelle
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
Filthy casual
Just curious: Should Artifact of Doom really have a Real Life section?
(Annoyed grunt)
An artifact which contains powers that are purely evil. I'd say no.
I feel like anything that is explicitly a villain or evil trope shouldn't need a vote, but I'm sure the vote would favor removing RL examples, so it couldn't hurt.
If a trope is questionably a villain trope, then a vote would be ideal. But "Sorting Algorithm of Evil" is unquestionably an "evil" trope.
I can see the merit of one or two of the Artifact of Doom RL examples, but even those ones look a little shoehorned. I'm inclined to ask for a vote on that one since some of the examples aren't... completely awful. But for the record, my vote is going to favor cutting the RL section, if we put it to a vote.
Sorcerer in training
In the absence of mod fiat and default NRLEP (like the Sex tropes), RL sections are generally put through a vote.
But a shitty example is a shitty example, and doesn't need a vote to cut it. If cutting bad examples empties out the RL section, that's an unfortunate (?) side effect.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
No, the other one.
It's never unfortunate to clear bad sections of "examples".
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Left Finger and Scary to brew a bit more thanks to that crowner problem, but now that it's been clear for a few days I think it's safe to call stuff.
Calling:
- Finger-Tenting: Added 6th Feb '15 at 10:20:54 AM, 14:1 (15)
- Scary Shiny Glasses: Added 6th Feb '15 at 11:36:32 AM, 15:0
- Questionable Consent: Added 10th Feb '15 at 09:33:56 AM, 16:0
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I'd say Artifact of Doom is more a narrative trope,
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Fair enough. Like I said, if it's explicitly an "evil" trope, I don't realistically see a vote allowing real life examples (barring a concerted effort by vandals or trolls to unbalance the crowner), so the question is more academic than anything.
It is very much a narrative trope, but the first sentence explicitly mentions that the artifact is both a "villain" and "pure evil". We generally agree on TVT that neither of those things exist in Real Life. Also worth mentioning that the Laconic says it "contains powers that are purely evil". Since I think it's safe to say that we also agree "powers" in general don't exist in Real Life, much less evil powers, that would further damn it.
edited 13th Feb '15 8:21:07 AM by SolipSchism
Vegetarian Vampire: Impossible in real life.
First example: Not a Real Life example, belongs in Mythology or whatever our name for that is, and even then it violates Keep It An Example.
Second example: Not An Example, as vampire bats are not actually vampires.
tl;dr: LOL
And I almost clicked "Send" before realizing that I had typed "vampire bats are not actually bats". Good thing I didn't post that!
edited 13th Feb '15 10:57:41 AM by SolipSchism
It doesn't help that the crowners are refusing to show anything but the highest voted option, so I can't even vote by directly accessing the crowner.