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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM
From this point on, don't just say "underage" when talking about a character's age. We have people using that for characters who are 17 and 18. It creates a false impression of how old a character is. If you don't know an exact age, give an approximate one or even a couple of year age range. But don't simply call a character underage. It makes more work for everyone.
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Thanks, Shima. This should make things a bit easier...
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Re: Sakura Gari
Preliminary Report:
- Demographic: Josei Disclaimer Other manga in Rinka unavailable.
- Manga unlicensed in US
Update the first: 40 pages in and no chapter breaks, thus I may just do this by page rather than chapter. On objectionable content, one sex scene lasting two pages between 17 year olds. Genitals are not depicted. Also some very nonsexual nudity.
edited 21st Jun '12 6:44:41 AM by tdgoodrich1
"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Meeble: Rance II has not been cutlisted yet. The article is locked for some reason. Rance Quest is also still up, but I argue that's a separate discussion since it's a direct sequel for Sengoku Rance and is probably less iffy than the early games like Rance II. However, Komodin and others are really sick of discussing Rance for now, so I suggest we just table that game for the moment.
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Why would we want to talk about it even more?
^ Twit. Let's put it aside so the P5 can have a recovery time!
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Re: Sakura Gari:
Update the second: a brief 2-panel fellatio scene. Genitals are censored.
Update the third: Nothing to report. Finally the end of the chapter. Only took, what, 100 pages?
Update the fourth: Nothing to report. Actually kind of enjoying this one.
Update the fifth: Nothing to report. After next chapter, I should be ready to call things.
edited 21st Jun '12 7:09:30 AM by tdgoodrich1
"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
likes the cheeses.
Thanks Arha, I sent a cut request for VideoGame.Rance II, and will be sending a lock request on the Rance thread assuming no other panel members have anything else to discuss.
edited 21st Jun '12 7:02:58 AM by Meeble
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And I made the note on the discussion page.
likes the cheeses.
oops, thank for that Septimus. I completely forgot about it.
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Re: Sakura Gari Chapter 3:
Take back what I said about calling it. Ended with a 10-page rape scene and the protagonist saying that things would get worse. Genitals were not depicted and the rape was played more as brutal than sexy.
Chapter 4: 10-page (out of 80) sex scene, 2-page fellatio scene, 2 page rape. Genitals are not depicted in any. All are portrayed in a negative light; in fact after the third Masataka nearly takes his own life.
Chapter 5: 7 page rape out of ~70. As before, no explicit depiction of genitals, and portrayed in a negative light.
Verdict: Keep, clean if necessary
Pro:
- No pedopandering
- Plot far outweighs sex
- Rapes are always depicted in a negative, if not outright brutal manner
Con:
- Still more than one multipage graphic rape scene
Since plot outweighs sex by far, this one's probably OK to keep.
edited 21st Jun '12 7:46:53 AM by tdgoodrich1
"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Sounds abut as pornographic as lolita is peado pandering.
edited 21st Jun '12 9:47:51 AM by Shadis
@td you might want to see my review as well. I also thought it should be kept, although there are a lot of rape scenes and some child sex abuse.
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@P5 Could one of you take Fairy Companion off the list?
Nothing I can argue with. Hell, you even caught a couple of things I missed. Nothing that would change my verdict, though. If you're ever in my neck of the woods, I owe you a drink for that.
edited 21st Jun '12 12:49:41 PM by tdgoodrich1
"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
likes the cheeses.
Zapped.
edited 21st Jun '12 12:51:42 PM by Meeble
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I think I have to agree that Rance Quest should probably be looked at separately. It's a direct sequel to Sengoku, so it's probably at that level of content/story ratio. I wasn't able to find it online, but that was like a year ago, a month after it was released in Japan, so I imagine it's easier now. I'll get to that once I have a few minutes of free time.
Right now, are the rest of the P5 fine with leaving that one uncut?
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Whatever lets us move on to something else...
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Well 3 more visual novels have been flagged.
Madou Souhei Kleinhasa
Silver Chaos 2 Artificial Mermaid
Zanjibaru
edited 21st Jun '12 2:30:48 PM by KuroBaraHime
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Anyone know what's the deal with all of them?
First and third are X-rated, which is usually reserved for straight up porn, but don't quote me on that.
The lack of story tropes on their pages also doesn't give much encouragement.
edited 21st Jun '12 2:38:47 PM by TheFoxsCloak
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Porn content-wise, Madou Souhei Kleinhasa's full of Magical Girls getting tentacle raped. According to the VNDB page, the rape scenes are all avoidable. Looking though a bunch of the CG, none of the girls look like they're definitely preteens or younger.
Silver Chaos 2 Artificial Mermaid is a Boys' Love game. None of the characters look underage.
I think by X-rated they just mean "has explicit sex".
edited 21st Jun '12 2:41:06 PM by KuroBaraHime
The original Silver Chaos was cut for giving you the option to have sex with a 10-year old.
Here, have some Brain Bleach.
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hope this helps:
Madou Souhei Kleinhasa
http://vndb.org/v2558
Silver Chaos 2 Artificial Mermaid
http://vndb.org/v1402
Zanjibaru
http://vndb.org/v2606
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Well it has a shotacon tag so...
edited 21st Jun '12 2:46:47 PM by Shadis
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...Pfft. Easiest. Devilhead. Ever.
edited 21st Jun '12 2:44:39 PM by Komodin
Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.
Just catching up a bit...
On Tales of Mu I also gave this an Angel. I read something on the lines of 10 randomly-selected chapters of this thing and saw only one very short sex scene. Don't see how it could be primarily porn based on that, unless the Random Number Gods were out to protect my sanity that day.
On Rance, if I'm the only one that has changed their mind about keeping Sengoku Rance, then I will accept that I'm outvoted and we can move on. On the other games in the Rance series, which ones have yet to be cut? I was under the impression that they had all been cut-listed, but whoever made the request might have missed a few.
On the Kagami Hiragi thread: Thanks Pyrite, you said pretty much exactly what I was going to say on it. We removed the page, if anyone feels action needs to be taken on the thread itself, you'll need to talk to a moderator.
edited 21st Jun '12 5:30:08 AM by Meeble
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