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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#1: Apr 16th 2012 at 3:13:51 PM

As you are possibly aware, through a combination of CGI, visual trickery, and God knows how empty of these people's souls, Tupac performed at the Coachella music festival last night, leaving many saying "cool!!" while many others said "WTF man." Personally, I think this is perhaps the creepiest, most soulless thing since they used John Lennon's corpse to sell laptops, but I'm wondering what your take is on this and the potential implications of it. Is this this going to cause a trend of concerts by dead celebrities? Should this even be allowed? If you (or a family member or close friend, assuming you or one of them was a celebrity) were the one whose corpse was being reanimated like this to perform, how would you feel about it?

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#2: Apr 16th 2012 at 4:41:12 PM

I don't know much about the ethics of it, but I do know that the effects are pretty impressive. All they need to sort out is the effects around the feet.

And I guess that essentially being brought back as a performing ghost is a kind of back from the dead.

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#3: Apr 16th 2012 at 7:09:44 PM

As long as his estate had no problems with it (I'm guessing they didn't), there's not really an issue. It's just a hallmark of how far technology has advanced.

I'm willing to bet still living bands and artists will follow suit and use this tech to have "concerts" in places they can't actually make time to visit in person. Imagine your favorite band, "touring" in three different cities on the same day.

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#4: Apr 16th 2012 at 7:29:31 PM

[up]They already have, it was mentioned in the article.

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feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
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#5: Apr 16th 2012 at 7:32:23 PM

Hey, it's Pepper's Ghost! That's the same trick used to allow Gorillaz to perform live! (It's also used at Disney's "haunted mansion" to create some of the ghosts.)

edited 16th Apr '12 7:33:50 PM by feotakahari

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#6: Apr 16th 2012 at 8:04:57 PM

Meh. I though it was a cool demonstration of technology, but Japan's done it before. I don't like Tupac and rap anyway. The hologram itself is the only interesting part.

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#7: Apr 16th 2012 at 8:30:39 PM

My initial thought was that it was kinda creepy and uncool, especially with all the idiots that won't believe that he's dead. However, just speaking as someone who never thought hip-hop and rap was the same after Tupac's death and has all but quit listening to it, it did give me an awesome shiver and made me smile to see it happening in that link.

edited 11th Jun '12 12:15:30 PM by TheWanderer

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#8: Apr 16th 2012 at 8:36:50 PM

Maybe it was actually Tupac, and they just said he was a hologram?

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#9: Apr 16th 2012 at 8:45:01 PM

wild mass guess Dracula allowed Tupac to preform, but only through holographic communication.

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#10: Apr 16th 2012 at 9:11:36 PM

It's no different than having someone dress up like a different long-dead person, or a cartoon of it, or whatever. No one bats an eye when George Washington or JFK appears in a show, why would Tupac be different?

0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#11: Apr 16th 2012 at 10:03:35 PM

[up][up][up]Oh God, if you look at the comments on the You Tube clip of it, at least half of them are saying that.

[up]I think the difference there is that that's a fictional portrayal of them in their own historical contexts (or in hilariously mismatched concepts for the purpose of parody). This, though...like I said, this just seems like propping up his corpse on-stage. It creeps me out majorly.

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#12: Apr 18th 2012 at 10:47:59 PM

Man, people just wanted to see Tupac again. Personally I thought it was kind of morbid and creepy. Someone on Youtube said it was a test for Project Bluebeam, lol.

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#13: Apr 19th 2012 at 12:23:01 AM

This reminds me of an old Beatles video where they edited footage of John Lennon into the frame after he was murdered.

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#15: Apr 19th 2012 at 5:32:28 AM

Meh: it's the way things are headed, anyway.

After all, get it really, really good, film and TV companies will use it should The Character Died with Him suddenly look them in the face. This is just the tour version. <shrugs>

I'm fully expecting Jacko to make a come-back, now. And, to be honest, I think it's the kind of thing that would've really made him giggle. More, I mean. wink

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edited 19th Apr '12 5:34:21 AM by Euodiachloris

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#16: Apr 19th 2012 at 6:33:06 AM

Theater could use this technology to do things that conventional special effects just can't do convincingly, also.

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#17: Apr 19th 2012 at 7:58:11 AM

[up]Okay, I can give you that. Ushering in a new age of somewhat realistic special effects would be pretty cool.

This reminds me of an old Beatles video where they edited footage of John Lennon into the frame after he was murdered.
I don't think I've ever seen that O_o But on that note, it kinda reminded me of an old Archie comic I read taking place in the future, in which the future!Archies band is in a rut until they see a hologram of The Beatles performing, or something like that. Apparently, in the year 2525, if man is still alive and if woman survived, this will be very commonplace, so sayeth the writers of Archie.

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#18: Jun 7th 2012 at 5:48:22 AM

Elvis presley to be Digitally Recreated

On behalf of Digisafe inc. I would like to reassure the public that the hologramatic zombies will not be permitted to be together or allowed anywhere near humans. It is of course totally impossible for them to infect the living or mate and produce offspring, not to mention unimaginable and unconscionable, so dismiss that thought from your minds. Rumours related to staring into their eyes for over 4.8 seconds are unsubstantiated lies, though we respectfully suggest you do not do so.

Could anyone who was, or whose intimate partners were, in the front row of Tupac's Too Ghoul For School May event who reported feeling a wet mist land on their faces please contact us immediately. Thank you.

edited 7th Jun '12 5:50:11 AM by betaalpha

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#19: Jun 8th 2012 at 10:33:50 PM

Who wants to start placing bets on a Kurt Cobain hologram?

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#20: Jun 9th 2012 at 2:30:57 AM

Looks like the Elvis Impersonators will be out of a job soon. Why have imitators when you can summon Elvis back from the dead with holotechnology?

edited 9th Jun '12 2:31:07 AM by GameGuruGG

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#21: Jun 9th 2012 at 9:59:12 AM

[up][up]I can only imagine how David Grohl or Courtney Love would react to that.

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#23: Jun 11th 2012 at 11:25:29 PM

Given that we live in a post-J. Edgar Hoover world, I'd venture to say that the government probably keeps tabs on most famous people. I mean, that sounds mind-bogglingly impossible to us—there are a whole lot of famous people, after all—for the largest government in the history of the world with functionally unlimited money and no accountability behind the scenes, it wouldn't be so terribly difficult.

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#24: Jul 18th 2012 at 4:45:51 PM

So, it looks like Tupac was only the beginning. Next is Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe.

I still don't get why (aside from Money, Dear Boy), but...eh.

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#25: Jul 18th 2012 at 4:52:43 PM

[up] Because Rule of Cool?

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